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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2015, 06:37:03 PM »

I don't think I saw any HE-560's measurements that looked great to begin with... Yes, the earlier ones looked somewhat better but I would still take my modded HE-500 over these HE560s any day.

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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2015, 07:32:22 PM »

I don't think I saw any HE-560's measurements that looked great to begin with... Yes, the earlier ones looked somewhat better but I would still take my modded HE-500 over these HE560s any day.



I feel that HE560 with Focus-A pads and some additional tuning has a lovely tonal balance; more energetic than HE500s but equally close to neutral.

The crux of the issue for me is that HE500s are just lacklustre in terms of articulation: it is noticeably "slower"-sounding and even blurred next to HE560s. I'm talking both modded, of course.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2015, 07:43:04 PM »

Yes, HE-500 are kind of completely different from something like HD800s in terms of their approach to the technical side of headphone sound. The modded HE-500s I use represent what Audeze would love to sound like - close to neutral, with a very good soundstage and sense of openness but relaxed, smooth and with a very black background at the same time. Articulation is not the word I would use to describe them because it was never meant to be a technical monster. For me, it's just Audeze or HD600/HD650 sort of sound done right :-)

I personally admire both approaches (HE500 vs HD800) when done right. The problem is that rarely any headphones does it right (while being affordable enough). And I am not sure HE-560 are that great... Plenty of people like them, plenty of people don't like them. And all available measurements look rather mediocre honestly. It's kind of very polarising and confusing headphone/situation.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2015, 08:04:04 PM »

I feel that HE560 with Focus-A pads and some additional tuning has a lovely tonal balance; more energetic than HE500s but equally close to neutral.

The crux of the issue for me is that HE500s are just lacklustre in terms of articulation: it is noticeably "slower"-sounding and even blurred next to HE560s. I'm talking both modded, of course.

Yup.

Yup.

Tweaked HE-560 > tweaked HE-500.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2015, 08:16:54 PM »

Yes, HE-500 are kind of completely different from something like HD800s in terms of their approach to the technical side of headphone sound. The modded HE-500s I use represent what Audeze would love to sound like - close to neutral, with a very good soundstage and sense of openness but relaxed, smooth and with a very black background at the same time. Articulation is not the word I would use to describe them because it was never meant to be a technical monster. For me, it's just Audeze or HD600/HD650 sort of sound done right :-)

I personally admire both approaches (HE500 vs HD800) when done right. The problem is that rarely any headphones does it right (while being affordable enough). And I am not sure HE-560 are that great... Plenty of people like them, plenty of people don't like them. And all available measurements look rather mediocre honestly. It's kind of very polarising and confusing headphone/situation.

If the resulting SQ of my HE560s on my particular system sounds clean fast with good tone and prat, and just overall satisfies me, there is no incentive for me to care about strangers on the internet with different musical tastes, who dislike HE560s on different systems than mine and either stock or modded differently.

We are all quite a ways into this hobby now, no more brand fan-clubs and whatnot, it's all about personal pursuits of happiness at this point.  :P
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2015, 08:22:34 PM »

Yup.

Yup.

Tweaked HE-560 > tweaked HE-500.

Well, that depends on what sort of tweaks you are talking about, of course. Someone like you should already know that and don't make such silly general statements.
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2015, 08:31:14 PM »

Sorry, tweaked HE-560 > HE-500.

You can tweak the HE-560 frequency response, but you cannot tweak the HE-500 to have a clearer, more articulate, and more resolving sound. Tweaks are just tweaks. They can incrementally improve the sound, sometimes even addressing showstopper frequency response issues. But tweaks can not improve the inherent capability of a driver.

Unless of course you are just talking about personal preferences where people may prefer the muddy one-note bass and slow, slightly veiled and grey presentation of the HE-500.



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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2015, 08:37:38 PM »

You can tweak the HE-560 frequency response, but you cannot tweak the HE-500 to have a clearer, more articulate, and more resolving sound.

Sorry, tweaked HE-560 > HE-500.

Well, I agree that HE-500 is never going to be a technical monster, as already said. That doesn't mean it cannot be a better headphone.

I am not sure if you are admin or not but could you have a look at the post I recently made: http://www.changstar.com/index.php/topic,2142.msg58776/topicseen.html#new. Thank you :-)
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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2015, 08:41:11 PM »

First of all, why did you go insane in the first place a few months ago by deleting all of your posts; and then come back just a few days ago - only to say now that you want to delete your account?

Secondly, why do you interject "My tweaked HE-500 is the bestest" in every other post of yours? You are going to get pushback if you pull off shit like that here. You don't see me going around Orpheus is the bestest in every other headphone thread or Yggy is the bestest in every other DAC thread.

Figure out what you want to do: stay or go. I don't have time for parenting. I was actually saddened the first time you left. I didn't know the exact reasons why. But you have to understand that under the circumstances, your actions lowered my patience threshold quite a bit.

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Re: Bill-p HE-560 mod
« Reply #59 on: February 18, 2015, 08:01:40 AM »

A question for those who have modded the HE-560.

The Focus-A pads are out of stock and probably won't be back in stock for at least a month.  Should I just put my HE-560 away for a month and wait for the Focus-A pads to get back in stock?  Or should I get an extra set of regular Focus pads now and get busy with an exacto knife on them to experiment for a month?  I've got plenty of other headphones and headphone toys to keep me busy experimenting with other things.  I won't miss the new 560's for a month or two.

I don't want to be doing any mods yet that require taking things apart beyond just replacing the pads yet.  I want to experiment with the Focus-A pads on the stock headphones before doing that.  So any dis-assembly modding is going to wait till then.
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