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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2013, 10:24:29 AM »

I'd like to expand this idea slightly. 

I was listening to a punk band called Black President yesterday on my commute.  It was the only highlight of having to work on a Sunday.  I've had the album for some time now and while it's grown on me it always falls a little short of great.  The songs are catchy, the musicians are talented and the performance tight.  I was thinking about what was holding this album back and it struck me that it was recorded too well for a punk album!  For me a good punk album needs to be a little messy and rough.  This was too clean, too precise.  It's not "punk". 

Another example would be a couple of old blues songs that I really love.  One in particular has a really noisy background including the strong hum of what I assume is the guitar amp.  That's one of the thing that brings this particular track to life for me.  It's that noise that creates nostalgia, that amp hum that transports me to a dark smokey room with the performer, complete with a big scotch in hand!  I have a clean studio version of the same song, and it does not have the same impact on me.  It's because of this personal connection that I do use this track when comparing gear because I am so intimate with every detail.

I am often drawn to live tracks because I find them easier to connect with for this very reason. Many of them are not recorded well at all.

I think that a poor recording is not only good for testing your system, but sometimes important to add life to music.  Perfect mastering and recording may end up being accurate, but it won't always be the best overall sound.  IMHO music production remains more art than science, and I think that's a good thing.
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2013, 03:20:12 PM »

I'd like to expand this idea slightly. 

I was listening to a punk band called Black President yesterday on my commute.  It was the only highlight of having to work on a Sunday.  I've had the album for some time now and while it's grown on me it always falls a little short of great.  The songs are catchy, the musicians are talented and the performance tight.  I was thinking about what was holding this album back and it struck me that it was recorded too well for a punk album!  For me a good punk album needs to be a little messy and rough.  This was too clean, too precise.  It's not "punk". 

Another example would be a couple of old blues songs that I really love.  One in particular has a really noisy background including the strong hum of what I assume is the guitar amp.  That's one of the thing that brings this particular track to life for me.  It's that noise that creates nostalgia, that amp hum that transports me to a dark smokey room with the performer, complete with a big scotch in hand!  I have a clean studio version of the same song, and it does not have the same impact on me.  It's because of this personal connection that I do use this track when comparing gear because I am so intimate with every detail.

I am often drawn to live tracks because I find them easier to connect with for this very reason. Many of them are not recorded well at all.

I think that a poor recording is not only good for testing your system, but sometimes important to add life to music.  Perfect mastering and recording may end up being accurate, but it won't always be the best overall sound.  IMHO music production remains more art than science, and I think that's a good thing.

Well said!  :)p1     :money:
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2013, 03:41:12 PM »

Yep, well-said shipsupt. That's one of the reasons a lot of these new Appalachian folk revival type bands (Avett Bros., Lumineers, Mumford, etc) haven't resonated with me either (although most of them have songs I dig). They tend to sound too "clean" and loses a bit of authenticity as a result.
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2013, 02:50:07 AM »

So I often use the song F.M. off of Lab '75 from the NTSU One O'clock Lab Band.  The whole album was written by Lyle Mays, and this track has a nice long Rhodes solo that has peaks that clip on the recording.  The Rhodes was a little too hot on the recording, so I use it to test for harsh or rolled off highs.  If there isn't any glare, then there's some roll-off.  If it's painful, then the system is a little too bright.  The song also has some funky bass and has a little flute feature that's good for judging that timbre.

I also like to use a couple of tracks off of Charlie Parker's One Night in Washington.  The band on the recording is buried behind a good bit of hiss and was "down in the mix" anyway.  Charlie Parker is forward and definitely the star of the show (straight out of rehab - a stellar performance).  It's definitely not a great recording, but it's great music.  On the right system, it's a great experience.
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #24 on: May 21, 2013, 06:23:48 PM »

My vote easily goes to the "Battlefield Earth" of recordings.

Siberia by Lights.

Diabolically bad in every respect sounds like it was mastered on an old Bell Graphophone by a deaf mute.
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2013, 10:18:57 PM »

Blues and Ragtime...
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #26 on: December 17, 2014, 07:58:21 PM »

Interesting thread.

My favourite band is Electro Deluxe. A french Jazz-Funk Band. Recordings are not really bad but almost average at best.  Those recordings are my favs for Ultimate testing. A "good" system" much let me enjoy those average recordings . An audio system who let me only enjoy perfect recordings would not be really useful too.

A "good" system must show me issues but let my enjoy almost any music despite recording/mastering issues.

My 2 cents.


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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #27 on: December 29, 2014, 01:30:08 PM »

As soon as the drums start...

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Ultra, gosh you're right. I read your post just now and tried this.... and ripped the HPs right off my noggin when the drums started...ouch, I went back and lowered the volume after that...
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2015, 12:22:55 AM »

Yup. Don't think I've hard a good recording of that particular song. Not that the song amaizing in itself, but still...
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Re: The need for at least one bad recording....
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2015, 12:54:27 AM »

I found the following pretty bad as well: ELO's Don't Let me Down. If you can get some time to listen to it, let me know what you think. I may have a bad copy after all.
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