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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #20 on: December 11, 2014, 03:24:05 AM »

i should have mentioned that Crown makes good stuff. Like Crest, it depends upon the line. K1 and K2 were disappointing for audiophile use. Internets back in the day seem to say they were awesome. Until people actually started to get them into their homes. Stick with the classic class AB stuff for critical home listening.
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #21 on: December 11, 2014, 02:02:25 PM »

i should have mentioned that Crown makes good stuff. Like Crest, it depends upon the line. K1 and K2 were disappointing for audiophile use. Internets back in the day seem to say they were awesome. Until people actually started to get them into their homes. Stick with the classic class AB stuff for critical home listening.

Yea. Probably cause most things I read is most these guys use pro amps for subwoofer use so not much to read.

Im defiantly sticking with the older crowns big iron work horses. Im done with amps and my audio system for now. Don't see myself getting anymore stuff. This ce2000 has way more power then needed. The only thing I might ever get if comes cheap in my terms is another ce2000 to bridge as mono amps or a nice crown macro tech. Still like to find hk 775 mono blocks too but other then that no further to really go.

But, yea, Im happy with the ce2000 performance. Had more impressive sonic clarity then I thought it would. It's just very sensitive to cables and how it's plugged in for power, for some reason.

Im probably just gonna get banana connectors or speakon cables so I can have easy quick plug and unplug easily cause I don't want to limit my amps due to all speaker selector boxes has a whole bunch of limiters and crap.
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2014, 01:50:10 PM »

I haven't listened to my 240DF in while so I decided to give them a try off the crown speaker outputs. All I have to say is, it sounds like listening to air. Super smooth, amazing open imaging and clean.

Besides power the output impedance probably helps too since it's extremely low at 0.02ohms on the CE2000.

It was pain in the booty though hooking it up cause the gauge wire is so thin and my amp is made for heavy gauge at the binding posts. Anyhoo,  does good job with the 240DF. Tons of headroom, dead silent background, amazing separation and so on and so on, blah blah blah...
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2014, 10:20:30 AM »

I'm interested in a power amplifier that is good for home and studio use.  What current, or recently discontinued, models are considered good in this day and age?  Unfortunately its quite difficult to find any useful information regarding professional power amplifiers, especially since there are a billion brands and models to dig through.  From what I can gather from a lot of pro audio forums, both Crown and Crest Audio have some decent amps but they're not really an option for me.  Australia is a bit of a technological black hole...

Does Yamaha have anything good out right now?  It'd definitely make my decision a lot easier because they're the easiest brand to find here.
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2014, 01:01:32 PM »

Yamaha makes lot of wonderful amps. Lot of people around love the Yamaha p2100/p2002. It's basically pro version of the famous consumer Yamaha B2 but you'll find it lot cheaper than the b2.

Bryston I read is good as well. QSC, the USA models are best ones from them. Altec Lansing has couple under the radar power amps like the 9440a/b (or least round here they go for cheap compared to crown and qsc). I heard certain models of crest is good too. Ashly and parrauex is other brand(s) people tend to like. McIntosh is there but pricey... phase linear too but unless you do the modding it requires it'll turn your speakers into a fireplace(that's why it got the name "flame linear").

Behringer is basically cheaper made stuff of other brands similar to crown and qsc but are made cheaper and doesn't have the warranty benefits/support of other brands so if the amp goes and can't find serviceable parts you're basically screwed.

As for new vs. old. Depends I guess but lot people don't like the newer ones except for subwoofer duties due to the class d design.  People prefer the old scool lower back killer class a/b work horses for home hi-fi use. The newest you can get that uses the old school class a/b design is the qsc1500/2000/25000 and crown ce1000/2000 is far as I know. Rest after that is class d designs.

I don't know what type of connectivity matters to you but most use traditional binding posts/trs/xlr for outputs and ts/trs/xlr for inputs. I just know my CE2000 uses and accepts 2/4-pole balanced speakon connectors besides binding posts for speaker outputs.

Lot of options here and I understand the annoyance you feel cause it's like non existent finding info for home use except "yo dog, I run my crown macro 1200 on my dual 18" subs and it's banging as shit" type of stuff.

Pro amps are great too for low impedances, sound and ruggedness since they're design for hell so in home use they'll last forever definitely without ever seeing more then 1/8th of their full output in there lifetime by most people  In home use. Some even work with high voltage sources too (I remember reading an old ad for the crown d-150/300 capable driving electrostatic speakers and earspeakers without the need for a dedicated step-up transformer).

I can't really give much advice except look around and audition if you can if it's locally.
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2014, 02:40:48 PM »

Thanks for the prompt response!  When talking about the QSC, would you happen to mean the QSC MX1500/2000/2500?  The transformers and heatsinks in the QSC MX1500 are pretty impressive to say the least.

I'm definitely trying to find a decent sounding workhorse like those you mentioned but I was really hoping for gear that was a lot more modern.  It seems with everyone going nuts over vintage gear, they've either vanished from your typical "for sale" resources or are marked up by 300%. 

I've never been impressed by a lot of the cheaper Class D options nor any of the "Club" amplifier options that are in the vogue at a lot of stores these days.  Demoing is more difficult than before too, thanks to the rise of really nice and compact powered monitors for home musicians, so its actually hard to find anything within my price range that isn't $300 AUD crap from Behringer. 
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2014, 03:20:24 PM »

Yea, that's what i meant with qsc. I made mistype cause I use my phone. The qsc mx1500a is pretty nice amp. I have a friend that uses one for daily duty in his home cause he repairs and fixes up lot or interesting and very nice speakers. I was gonna buy his qsc off of him but I found a crown ce2000 locally for 200 so I bought that instead and really impressed with it. Only thing I don't like bout it, is it has a considerable power transformer hum in the heavy steel chassis but, I read that's normal for lot of amps. Doesn't affect my listening experience of course with speakers or headphones (I recently added a balanced 4-pole speakon connector to my akg 240DF since I keep it only for home use).

I read the older USA models of qsc is better but I don't know since I never used or heard one before on my system. The older crown d series you can get for reasonable prices (I have several d-150a series II locally for 100 bucks) but depending on power requirements for you since the 150a is rated at 95w@8 ohm but has enough headroom for transistent peaks and what people considered "missionary tough" cause heard people would throw the d150/300 off of vehicles and buildings and they'll still perform/exceed thier specifications. The psa-2 model is not well known either so you cam find them reasonable and considered the first macro before macro cause the macro's were basically updated psa2 designs with some improvements.

The ce2000 I have is a good amp. Sounds clean with tons of output. I know it has some bad rep but I think has lot more to do with idiots/user error then anything else cause my runs super cool and I driven low impedance 2ohm nominal loads fine for hours without breaking a sweat. The ce1000/2000 is only amp I know of so far with what's considered "modern hook ups" cause you have binding posts/speakon for outputs and trs/ts/xlr/barrier strip for inputs. It's made to be used with active crossovers and so forth as well.

Just look around all I can say and that magical deal will pop up. Just requires crap load of patience and consistency. I just don't know how the used market is over there for you.
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2014, 12:55:19 PM »

I recently got couple 4-pole speakon connectors at local guitar center couple nights ago to make things easier switching between headphones and speakers on my crown ce2000. 

These were pretty pricey at 8 bucks a piece but so far worth it. These connectors are pretty badass and idiot proof for people like me. It is screw terminal which is a godsend for quick wiring jobs and of course labeled very simple (-1,+1,-2,+2).

My amp can accept 4-pole balanced or 2-pole unbalanced.  The balanced output is dedicated to channel 1 for mono(bridging, bi-amping, bi-wiring, ect) or stereo so all you need is one connector for stereo. Thing I noticed though of course you need a balanced source for this to operate like this so, the only connection source method is my main system with my echo ineterface. If I try any other source things will only come out in left channel/mono.

But, that's ok since all I use is my computer/laptop when im home. These connectors are very sturdy and rugged and the locking mechanism is awesome.  Like how the connector shorts/shuts off as soon as you go to unhook and twist so, it makes things seamless hooking between speakers. I even wired my 240DF with a speakon connector. Took less then a minute.

I recently bought some 1/4" thick open cell air conditioner filters too, so I can cut piece out for front vent of the amp to protect it from dust/hair/dirt/ect. It looks nice too. I decided to use rest for my technics sb7000a speakers and even used it for my 240DF and still have 2 full bags (they were dirt cheap, cheaper then I thought,  at 50 cents a bag).

Anyhoo, I really like these speakon things. Not only can I run a balanced stereo signal through one connector, it accepts very heavy guage easily, quick screw terminal hook up and, makes connecting and disconnecting so easy and idiot proof.

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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #28 on: April 04, 2015, 08:39:04 AM »

Im just updating this really old thread instead of making new one.

Anyhoo, due to high praise everywhere and was looking into active crossover for future sub use I decided to purchase a crown xls 2500 to give a try.

I was set on getting their top dog crown xti 6002 class I amp but due to some issues with some bank policy for zzounds and American music supply I wasn't allowed the 12 month payment plan so I went with what I planned before and ordered the crown xls 2500 class d amp.

I got it not only out of curiosity but, it has tons of praise everywhere and it'll be useful to me due to the nice built-in crossover filters. I will not get the amp for a few days of course since I just ordered yesterday but, I have good feeling it'll be a good performer. There is no expectations of it as of now but, of course just excited due to the fact that im getting something new in the mail soon lol. It's like late Christmas for me.

I know lot people hate the idea of "class d" designs but, im pretty neutral with things and don't judge till I see/hear/use something myself.

I will let people know how it holds it own to my heavier 50lb class A a/b crown in terms of sound/clarity when I get it in hand. Im not the best reviewer of course but will be straightforward with how I feel about the performance of it. Now just the wait....
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Re: anyone use crown power amps here?
« Reply #29 on: April 04, 2015, 02:53:50 PM »

cool, would be good to get your take on it.  there's a long thread on audiocircle I think about it.. I hear the speakon connectors are better than the banana jacks
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