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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2014, 07:27:44 PM »

@Marv: the original Octave (and Quad) were very sensitive to transport. A "simple" Stello U3 greatly improved the sound of my quad compared to Squeezebox Touch's S/PDIF. As in a true night and day difference.

The Octave mkII USB should be a different story, but it's not really the subject here. If the Marantz is a good transport then the Octave will be great and I second the recommendation  headbang

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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2014, 08:01:14 PM »

Squezzebox does not qualify as a proper transport. It is a piece of shit in terms of SQ. Let me qualify to say that going OR5 is definitely not worth it and totally unnecessary for said Metrum DACs. I like these DACs but these DACs are not resolving or capable enough. Any mid tier transport should be sufficient.
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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2014, 10:26:36 PM »

The Metrum Octave is good indeed. It seems I prefer it with an upsampled PCM flow ( 24/88,1 for mine) though and It would not be my favourite DAC if I'd listen mostly to classical. Great timbre but it lacks transparency IMO. The Octave has a sound of its own, a coloration. It can be a good thing or not.  It's Great for the Jazz or the Electronic Music I like.

As you can see I'm currently living with the Octave ( or Beresford Caïman mkII) + Sonett 2 + HD800 .  The Beresford Caïman mkII offer a similar analog tone but it's less thick and more transparent. Mids aren't as full as with the Metrum but soundstage is slightly better. I've tried to choose the one I prefer during the last month. I can't.  facepalm

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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2014, 12:00:44 AM »

First, thank you all for your help.

So it seems I have some options: Octave and Gungnir. Can I add Wyrd to all of those? Willing to try.

Marv, if you could try your Marantz + Gungnir, that would definitely help.

Judging my favorites harshly, K340 and K501 are respectively zingy and bassless. I want to err on the side of smoothness to accommodate K340 (and HD800, HE560).

I don't know the Marantz CDP but quick glance around the web seems to show pretty overwhelmingly positive comments.  What amp are you using right now?  You may be able to roll tubes to get to where you want.

Right now, I'm using Darkvoice 336SE. I've rolled enough that I believe I'm taking advantage of most its full (stock) capability or at least getting sound that I like. I'm currently using RCA 6SN7 5692 / RCA 6AS7G 6443. The 5692 sounds powerful: Arthur Rubinstein sounds more like Vladimir Horowitz. It's an acceptable starter amp but I'm planning to upgrade.
« Last Edit: November 26, 2014, 10:17:18 AM by Claritas »
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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2014, 04:20:42 AM »

The Wyrd wouldn't work with your CDP because it only works with USB connections.
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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2014, 04:49:15 AM »

That's what I thought, except Zerodfx seemed to be saying he uses CDP + Wyrd/Gungnir. Maybe I misunderstood.
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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2014, 09:08:29 AM »

If I were you, I bought the new amp and only then I would evaluate the need of a new dac . In my experience, the sonett offers so much more control than my previous amp ( Antique sound Labs MG Head.. old but very good) . I've always struggled with some treble harshness with the MG Head even with warmest tubes. The Sonett offered as much treble as my old amp but with better quality so Harshness has gone.  Consequently , I feel that I can now use more neutral and resolving DACS  than before. I'm not affirmative. it's only my current impressions.

Hope that makes sense.

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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2014, 09:26:42 AM »

If I were you, I bought the new amp and only then I would evaluate the need of a new dac . In my experience, the sonett offers so much more control than my previous amp (Antique sound Labs MG Head... old but very good) . I've always struggled with some treble harshness with the MG Head even with warmest tubes. The Sonett offered as much treble as my old amp but with better quality so Harshness has gone.  Consequently, I feel that I can now use more neutral and resolving DACS  than before. I'm not affirmative. it's only my current impressions.

Hope that makes sense.

I get the idea. Thank you for mentioning it. I'd be inclined to go along, but I'd like others to chime in on it because I haven't tried enough better tube amps.

So the question is for the purpose of taming the CDP treble, what should I buy first: a DAC or a better tube amp ($1-2K)? What do y'all think?
« Last Edit: November 12, 2014, 12:53:25 PM by Claritas »
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Re: DAC upgrade from CDP under $1K?
« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2014, 11:58:38 AM »

The way I did it was music source first, HPs next, amp/DAC (in combination) last. Living in India limits one to having variety to choose from. My preferred source of music is my laptop. Once I fixed that, I dabbled in HPs. Finally I looked for a synergistic combination of DAC/Amp. Thus I tried Bifrost/Asgard 1, then Lyr. I finally settled on the Gungnir/Mojo combo for the planars. Having liked what the Gungnir offered, I went back and added amps (only) for HPs e.g. Vali, BH Crack, ZD for the HD 800,an integrated receiver for the HE 6, and the KGSShv for the e-stats.
 
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Re: DAC upgrade OR tube amp upgrade under $2K
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2014, 01:42:20 AM »

Thanks for all your help. It got me this far into the topic. If now is not a good time for you, please just weigh in whenever you get around to it.

I renamed the thread given change of focus:

If I go with a DAC, I'm looking at Octave, Gungnir, or Caiman.

If I go with an amp, I don't know. Sonett 2? Used Super 7? Not sure what else.

(Whichever I don't get now, I can budget for after Christmas.)
« Last Edit: December 01, 2014, 08:58:05 AM by Claritas »
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