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Should the OP cancel his Rag order if on the rag?

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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #40 on: November 01, 2014, 03:17:48 AM »

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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #41 on: November 01, 2014, 04:07:36 AM »

What was the point of this thread?  With so much doubt, why would anyone waste their time as well as other's with this display? It doesn't seem to me to serve any other purpose other than to troll. Which if that was the goal, it was quite successful.

If a reasonable person had a genuine interest in a product, but had second thoughts on it for various reasons, would'nt they simply wait for more feedback from new users that would be coming in the near future?
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #42 on: November 01, 2014, 06:54:27 AM »

I can't believe waiting 2 weeks for 11/14 to ship is such a big deal to some people.  [...]

Jason and Mike never even wanted to make Statement products for Schiit so I don't think they or whoever is behind you in line would mind if you cancelled.  That's a lot of money to spend on something you don't seem to believe in.  What's wrong with waiting and seeing other impressions and reviews?

If an audio company says 3 weeks and it ends up being 6 weeks, that's all right with me because it probably means it's putting the time in to get it right. But if it ends up being 3 months without an e-mail explaining the situation, although that could still have a favorable interpretation, it certainly raises some questions. This is not an issue here because there is no issue here.

My advice to OP, wait till you hear it a meet and save yourself the worry. Best luck!

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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #43 on: November 01, 2014, 07:00:27 AM »

Lol Mike(!)
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2014, 01:14:34 PM »

If an audio company says 3 weeks and it ends up being 6 weeks, that's all right with me because it probably means it's putting the time in to get it right. But if it ends up being 3 months without an e-mail explaining the situation, although that could still have a favorable interpretation, it certainly raises some questions. This is not an issue here because there is no issue here.

My advice to OP, wait till you hear it a meet and save yourself the worry. Best luck!
I hear you but I know I would still start getting a slightly impatient if it took twice (given your scenario). 

I've also noticed this thread is turning into a "lets gang up on wnmnkh" thread which is disappointing.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #45 on: November 01, 2014, 01:21:55 PM »

I truly have never comprehended the expectation that boutique audio or even kickstarter campaigns need to deliver on a fast food or off the shelf schedule.  What's the effin' hurry and why the unrealistic expectations?  Does the world revolve around one person's individual schedule somehow?  Learn to meditate or just go outside and look up at the sky.  Geez.

The best things in the world are worth waiting for.  You seriously make me want to burn my mail order bride catalog.

Well said. If you just want "a headphone amp" Music Direct has a whole bunch of them, and a very good product search system as well. Assuming they have stock, MD will ship it out the next day. If you want a Schiit headphone amp though as opposed to just whatever is immediately available at that price point, well then you have to be willing to operate on Schiit's terms. That just comes with the territory, it's no different than anything else. If you are unwilling to do that, don't buy the product.

Made in the USA doesn't really mean much of anything. Blaming Audeze's considerable faults on Schiit also seems rather unfair when the two of them have nothing to do with each other. If a US company has good designs, engineers, and strict production and QC standards, their products will likely be consistent and high quality. If not, they won't.

There are some stereotypes that generally hold true. The Germans tend to needlessly over-engineer and over-complicate things. The Germans and Japanese are generally the best at making knives (Wusthof, Global) and optics.

The Chinese will steal your IP if given any chance to do so, and similarly will use substandard parts if not watched like hawks. QC at Mexican plants can be ZOMG bad. See chewing gum inside Takata airbags. Honda is now getting a real lesson in this.

Made in the USA though at this point I just don't see as either a positive or a negative. Toyota builds in Kentucky and Indiana and their products are reliable. Nissan builds in Tennessee and Mississippi and their products are not reliable. Thats down to engineering and plant managing, not location.

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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #46 on: November 01, 2014, 04:39:28 PM »

I've also noticed this thread is turning into a "lets gang up on wnmnkh" thread which is disappointing.

Yes, I noticed that too. But I'd rather let people have their say and let things naturally calm down. Unnecessarily locking down or deleting posts isn't the answer. We've had huge arguments about really stupid stuff like hamburgers before, and everyone was still friends afterwards. I hope this is still the case.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2014, 05:56:15 PM »

When it comes to having put down a reasonable chunk of money for a product we haven't heard, I hope we all get our 60 seconds of time to whine while we wait to see if it fulfills our expectations. I mean, nobody likes the feeling of having spent a lot and then not being happy with the purchase. Listening first is ideal but not always possible.

I think wnmnkh maybe led with his chin a little (for the reasons people have pointed out), which took away from the sympathy some would have had for him.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2014, 06:14:13 PM »

Things would probably have been a little different if it wasn't for schiit.
Everyone re-read the first post and replace Schiit with Audio-gd and Audeze with Hifiman. I'm sure the reactions would be a little different (less passionate).
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Having owned the Rag for a while, if tomorrow my Rag would die and Schiit told me I'd have to wait 3 months to get it repair or get a full refund, with no hesitation, I would wait!
It is totally worth it. I'm not even sure I'd dig in the bank account and re-buy a Master-9 or anything while waiting for my Rag to come back...
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2014, 07:43:01 PM »

Things would probably have been a little different if it wasn't for schiit.
Everyone re-read the first post and replace Schiit with Audio-gd and Audeze with Hifiman. I'm sure the reactions would be a little different (less passionate).

LOL, you kidding? If it were AGD or HFM, we would still have suggested to him to cancel his order and buy something else. Probably even passionately more so.
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