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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #30 on: October 31, 2014, 10:47:47 PM »

I can't believe waiting 2 weeks for 11/14 to ship is such a big deal to some people.  I'd tell someone like that to just pick up whatever they can find at Walmart or Best Buy.  Personally I wouldn't even make you one of my hamburgers and tell you to hit up the 99 cent menu at McDonalds.  That's made in America....South America.  Sorry, but this self entitled sense of faux urgency just irks me like no other.  It's a frickin' amp, not a dialysis machine.  It's just a stupid looking box that sits on your desk.  It doesn't even make coffee.

Jason and Mike never even wanted to make Statement products for Schiit so I don't think they or whoever is behind you in line would mind if you cancelled.  That's a lot of money to spend on something you don't seem to believe in.  What's wrong with waiting and seeing other impressions and reviews?

I truly have never comprehended the expectation that boutique audio or even kickstarter campaigns need to deliver on a fast food or off the shelf schedule.  What's the effin' hurry and why the unrealistic expectations?  Does the world revolve around one person's individual schedule somehow?  Learn to meditate or just go outside and look up at the sky.  Geez.

The best things in the world are worth waiting for.  You seriously make me want to burn my mail order bride catalog.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #31 on: October 31, 2014, 10:57:03 PM »

Just send it to me if you're done with it Mike :-)
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #32 on: October 31, 2014, 11:50:44 PM »

What happens if you die before you get it and are stuck in purgatory because you didn't get an amp in time? Genuine concern.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #33 on: November 01, 2014, 12:29:33 AM »

Some more answers, after some more reading:

Hehehehe.. I like you, Jason. I wish I could also say "Don't buy it if you have doubts" to my clients, too.

You can. Anyone can.


I ran the IT practice for an audit/consulting firm which pulled in a few million in revenues each year. There were always clients that I was more than willing to let go to another firm. Mainly because they were a pain in the ass. Too many "concerns", too many questions, too many special line items in the contracts, RFPs to be answered in an onerous prescriptive format, etc. If they did go with us, it would usually end up costing us money. We learned over time to give them a higher price so they would go to our competitors and cause them (our competitors) to waste their time or lose their money.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #34 on: November 01, 2014, 12:40:26 AM »

Oh jeez. I am not going to use quotations because this is getting long, and you look very frustrated.



About your amazon comments. Indeed no.3 and no.4 are not something I was clearly aware of (selling B-stock as New definitely raised my eyebrows), but I doubt about no.1 and no.2.

Well, they were kinda first, but there were tons of competitors, and they were about as early as Amazon.. Such as Ebay and Yahoo Auction (and hey! our country also had Auction.co.kr. Too bad they had to give in and absorbed into Ebay). Sure, Amazon was acting as a retailer and Ebay & Yahoo were auction sites... but they had same goal essentially (and as of today, both two are very similar). Except Amazon had a better idea what customers liked (Amazon Prime, return policy, and recently lockbox) while Ebay didn't do well on that... unfortunately.

And of course, they are retailers, and they should care about selling stuffs. Sure, I feel disturbed by all of horror stories at fulfillment centers and recent debacles with book publishers, but the point is they are indeed best at making me buying something. There are other tons of companies downright terrible at selling products to their own customers, it is not something we can easily disregard as a mere trick. Sure, I typed "13" retina Macbook Pro" and I am getting just covers and stuffs... but there is a clear limitation on in-site search engine and other competitors (i.e Ebay) is worse in this regard.



About 'Made In USA' part, well... duh.... I get it you guys are just stating the fact. Surely my choice of word 'propaganda'. I am sorry about it. But this 'Made In USA' mark is heavily abused in recent years. I still remember Google tried to sell its overpriced home-server product and touted as "100% made in USA" and Apple's focus on 'Made In USA' for their Mac Pro (while not mentioning the fact that rest of their products are made in China, and in abused, harsh, worker-hostile environment). So let's just say I got allergic toward that claim.

I am not sure it can be said I am disinclined from being satisfied with USA-made gear. As another member said, I probably had a lot of bad luck on USA products in past, and probably more hesitate toward USA-made gears, that's it. If I don't have any more troubles and good experience (like, all of Koss products and recently this amazing SP540 headphones), then my perspective changes. It is not that I am completely fixed into the root, saying "Dur hur hur, all USA-made are terrible! Anti-USA! Glory to Soviet Russia!" People change over the time, and I look forward your company's Ragnarok accelerate that process (as well as your incoming product, Fulla as well.)

I understand you and Mike put a lot of effort on product quality. I will definitely remind myself about it.


Take some sleep. I think you need it, and enjoy happy halloween.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #35 on: November 01, 2014, 12:42:58 AM »

Not sure why people keep thinking I wrote this because of delay.. I think I made myself very clear at very first sentence.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2014, 12:45:24 AM »

Jason, I thought you were done with the book, and here you are getting a head start on "The second worst customer, ever." chapter?!
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #37 on: November 01, 2014, 01:56:13 AM »

too funny, I have the same aversion to products made in South Korea

Samsung  poo
LG  poo
and don't get me started on iriver, although A&K is the  poo :)p13
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #38 on: November 01, 2014, 02:21:16 AM »

Oh jeez. I am not going to use quotations because this is getting long, and you look very frustrated.



About your amazon comments. Indeed no.3 and no.4 are not something I was clearly aware of (selling B-stock as New definitely raised my eyebrows), but I doubt about no.1 and no.2.

Well, they were kinda first, but there were tons of competitors, and they were about as early as Amazon.. Such as Ebay and Yahoo Auction (and hey! our country also had Auction.co.kr. Too bad they had to give in and absorbed into Ebay). Sure, Amazon was acting as a retailer and Ebay & Yahoo were auction sites... but they had same goal essentially (and as of today, both two are very similar). Except Amazon had a better idea what customers liked (Amazon Prime, return policy, and recently lockbox) while Ebay didn't do well on that... unfortunately.

And of course, they are retailers, and they should care about selling stuffs. Sure, I feel disturbed by all of horror stories at fulfillment centers and recent debacles with book publishers, but the point is they are indeed best at making me buying something. There are other tons of companies downright terrible at selling products to their own customers, it is not something we can easily disregard as a mere trick. Sure, I typed "13" retina Macbook Pro" and I am getting just covers and stuffs... but there is a clear limitation on in-site search engine and other competitors (i.e Ebay) is worse in this regard.



About 'Made In USA' part, well... duh.... I get it you guys are just stating the fact. Surely my choice of word 'propaganda'. I am sorry about it. But this 'Made In USA' mark is heavily abused in recent years. I still remember Google tried to sell its overpriced home-server product and touted as "100% made in USA" and Apple's focus on 'Made In USA' for their Mac Pro (while not mentioning the fact that rest of their products are made in China, and in abused, harsh, worker-hostile environment). So let's just say I got allergic toward that claim.

I am not sure it can be said I am disinclined from being satisfied with USA-made gear. As another member said, I probably had a lot of bad luck on USA products in past, and probably more hesitate toward USA-made gears, that's it. If I don't have any more troubles and good experience (like, all of Koss products and recently this amazing SP540 headphones), then my perspective changes. It is not that I am completely fixed into the root, saying "Dur hur hur, all USA-made are terrible! Anti-USA! Glory to Soviet Russia!" People change over the time, and I look forward your company's Ragnarok accelerate that process (as well as your incoming product, Fulla as well.)

I understand you and Mike put a lot of effort on product quality. I will definitely remind myself about it.


Take some sleep. I think you need it, and enjoy happy halloween.


You seem to be taking a lot of preconceived notions and misguided opinions about the evils of corporate America-and aiming them at Schiit for reasons unknown. Even after Jason is still trying to resolve your concerns and dig deeper into your problems, though you don't seem forthcoming (where you bought your A2 etc), making it seem like you have an axe to grind.

Just cancel your order, for all our sakes. Maybe Jason should take the liberty of doing it on his own.

Boo fucking hoo.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #39 on: November 01, 2014, 03:17:32 AM »

You seem to be taking a lot of preconceived notions and misguided opinions about the evils of corporate America-and aiming them at Schiit for reasons unknown. Even after Jason is still trying to resolve your concerns and dig deeper into your problems, though you don't seem forthcoming (where you bought your A2 etc), making it seem like you have an axe to grind.

Just cancel your order, for all our sakes. Maybe Jason should take the liberty of doing it on his own.

Boo fucking hoo.

Despite with reasoned, clear writings, it is just not possible to avoid paltry people who just want to bite and chew off whenever they can, further going into misrepresenting meanings, with their mouths filled with saliva.

I relinquish from this thread.
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