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Should the OP cancel his Rag order if on the rag?

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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2014, 04:16:15 PM »

Yeah, what Purrin said.  Five  years is plenty of time to work out the bugs. 

Is there anything else, for you, that represents a similar value to the Ragnarok?  If so, then don't even think about it.  Go with that other thing.  If not, then go with Ragnarok.

Same with anything, really.  Besides, this is probably just a hobby.  Schiit isn't saving lives.  Do whatever makes you happy.

If your order number is lower than mine, though, I'll trade with you. ;)
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2014, 04:28:25 PM »

No, it is not because I am impatient enough to cancel the order and buy another company's amplifier nor getting bitter about delay.

Currently I am building my Torpedo amp right now, and the incident I just had brought back many bad memories, and made me realize that Ragnarok follows worrisome pattern.

I was searching Head-Fi for Torpedo amp build help. Then, I decided to check some impressions of Ragnarok, and 'left channel buzzing' portion quickly gained my attention. I remember this... Wasn't it very same issue that marv reported during the open beta period? And the answer is yes. I assume this is already reported, yet we are having same problems on the release version of Ragnarok. I do have sensitive cans such as Grado and LCD-X. I am concerned now.

I also noticed there are people having issues with power supply humming. Sure it can be explained because of the Circlotron circuit and complex transformer wiring... but again, with such a lot of power going on, it can be other issues, and I am also having some worries here as well. Stuffs like tap noise on volume control also raise my eyebrows too.

It is not like Schiit has clean record on launch unit problems. Even disregard first Asgard, we definitely had some problems with Asgard 2 and Vali launch units. Ragnarok is far more complex product and will be far more problematic if these problems persist.

I am not sure. I just learned other guy that order number is right next to me is saying his amp won't be done until 11/14. Laura told me my unit may be shipping at end of this week. I will probably ask her about my Rag shipping date next Monday again (sorry! Laura) and if my unit is also indeed delayed like his case, I might ask her either just cancel the order or postpone until all of these early issues are fixed.

That said, I do not have good experience with "Made In USA" stuffs.

I have zero illusion about these 'Made In USA' propaganda. The mere fact that I always have troubles with those USA manufacturers, particularly audio companies.
Personally I'm impatient so I would probably be going nuts right now (if I were in your shoes).  I know I probably annoyed the Moon-Audio folks when I noticed my HE-560s hadn't been shipped out after two days since my order.  I called them thinking there was something wrong with my credit card or something and they said it just hadn't shipped out yet.  So after I asked why it hadn't shipped out yet their response with a short chuckle was that they "weren't Amazon" which I kind of annoyed me but w/e because I really feel that after 8 working hours since an order, it should dropped off at UPS/FedEx but maybe that's just me.  Like Marv and others have said there's a lot of great amps out there.  Personally, the Ragnorak seems like it's more than what I need (given I don't care about the speaker amp portion) and I'm not keen on getting all of my headphones re-cabled to balanced (given the balanced is supposed to sound so much better than the SE output) so I'm looking at alternative amps.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2014, 04:37:32 PM »

Byrnie, consider the ECP Black Diamond. Quite an amp for just 'unbalanced'.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 04:48:39 PM »

Byrnie, consider the ECP Black Diamond. Quite an amp for just 'unbalanced'.
I will and thank you.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2014, 04:51:48 PM »

Personally, the Ragnorak seems like it's more than what I need (given I don't care about the speaker amp portion) and I'm not keen on getting all of my headphones re-cabled to balanced (given the balanced is supposed to sound so much better than the SE output) so I'm looking at alternative amps.

I would love it if there was a product that was basically a less powerful Ragnarok. Take out the speaker portion, probably give it less juice. I don't know, maybe that would suck the magic out but I don't see myself using it as a speaker amp.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2014, 05:03:28 PM »

Isn't that Mjolnir, or did you want to take out XLR too?  I know Rag's supposed to be more resolving and stuff, so maybe not.  I wish I could tell you from experience!
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2014, 05:11:21 PM »

Personally, the Ragnorak seems like it's more than what I need (given I don't care about the speaker amp portion) and I'm not keen on getting all of my headphones re-cabled to balanced (given the balanced is supposed to sound so much better than the SE output) so I'm looking at alternative amps.
I would love it if there was a product that was basically a less powerful Ragnarok. Take out the speaker portion, probably give it less juice. I don't know, maybe that would suck the magic out but I don't see myself using it as a speaker amp.
For my needs/preferences, my top choice is the AURALiC Taurus MK2.  Keep in mind, I haven't heard the M9 or Rag and also that Anaxilus found it slightly bright (I think I'm quoting him accurately).
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2014, 05:42:37 PM »

Personally, the Ragnorak seems like it's more than what I need (given I don't care about the speaker amp portion) and I'm not keen on getting all of my headphones re-cabled to balanced (given the balanced is supposed to sound so much better than the SE output) so I'm looking at alternative amps.
I would love it if there was a product that was basically a less powerful Ragnarok. Take out the speaker portion, probably give it less juice. I don't know, maybe that would suck the magic out but I don't see myself using it as a speaker amp.
For my needs/preferences, my top choice is the AURALiC Taurus MK2.  Keep in mind, I haven't heard the M9 or Rag and also that Anaxilus found it slightly bright (I think I'm quoting him accurately).

I found the original unit at RMAF bright and analytical with some digititus.  Some evidence out there suggests it was retuned to be warmer sounding for headphone listening.  Can't verify this.
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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2014, 04:34:24 AM »

hello,

You have missed my point. I have no problem for waiting. I do have problem on reliability.

gosh, seems like you've had a lot of bad luck.

perhaps your choices change.

based on historic reputation for reliability: McIntosh MHA100

based on being intended for pro use (assuming pro gear is designed not to break): spl Phonitor 2

i am having a bit of a disconnect regarding any blanket statement implying that products from country of origin X are all crap or all wonderful.

(i own two old, low production/importation vehicles. parts and service are an ongoing nightmare. neither is for sale.)

i also am troubled by the notion that companies with a history of poor QA can never make an acceptable product.

the other notion is that from my research the firms mentioned are all relatively small shops: i.e. per Mr Stoddard's book on that other place, 6 employees, per Manta: Audeze 15 folks, Grado Labs 10-19. this is not to forgive a small company for producing bad products, but if they have a transparent RMA program and a warranty you can live with, why so much bile? also, if your experience with a particular company is so bad, why initiate an order in the first place?

reliability is something that emerges over time. it is disingenuous to claim that a newly released product is reliable or not. again, the RMA program and the warranty, if they meet your needs, are the most salient data-points.


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Re: Re-thinking about my Ragnarok order....
« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2014, 05:26:47 AM »

TLDR; Made in the USA still means something even if it's not what you thought it once meant.  If you expect an Omega for the price of a Timex, you're just crazy.

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