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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #50 on: November 08, 2014, 04:09:49 AM »

cool. thanks for sharing. are you going to try modding them, phillip88?
if they are like mdr-1r pre-mod 'stock'... yeah. maybe mods will make them more like my modded 1r.
so curious. the 1R aren't exactly built like tanks, worried they'll break soon. :p these would be a nice upgrade/replacement.

Nah, those are just demo unit. I doubt enthusiasts here are keen on modding. Well, what exactly improved after mod on your 1r?
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #51 on: November 09, 2014, 07:57:28 PM »

ahh right.
bass tightness, balance, midbass not as overwhelming. however treble could be a little gritty grainy, but it is at stock too so... not really sure how it was affected by mod. just more noticeable du to less bass maybe.

and it seems puri made this possible with his modded Z7, so it just seems like a good mod if you think the bass is overwhelming.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #52 on: November 23, 2014, 11:29:03 PM »

OK, spent more time with the Z7 (I'm assuming still modded) today from a variety of DAC/amps that I have on hand. The first night I tried them, I thought they sounded OK from my phone, but I didn't listen too long or closely. After some dedicated time with them, I've decided I really don't care for them. I must have been in a more forgiving mood the first night I listened, hehe.

I've heard quite a few describe these as a bit laid-back, but I do not hear that at all. Even from a warm, mushy NOS DAC and a couple different nothing-super-special amps, the Z7 sounds somewhat shrill, metallic, and even a bit bright to my ears. There's some sort of upper-mid and/or treble peak, if not a slight bit of resonance (sometimes my ears mix up peaks and resonance).

Bass seems OK. Extends well but despite the measured emphasis has less kick than I expected. Gets a bit indistinct the lower it goes. Otherwise seems fairly balanced.

Upper treble response seems pretty good. Fairly clean and fairly good at detail retrieval, probably the main area of potential here. I liked what the headphone did for cymbals, though the tone issues I mentioned above did hinder this.

Sound can be a bit nasally at times, or, at least, that's how I want to describe it. Soundstage and imaging seem pretty decent, probably another area of potential.

Looks, finish, feel, comfort...all top notch, of course. I like the cables and cup connectors. This sort of stuff makes me want to like the Z7 more, but they just hurt my ears pretty quickly due to how they sound to me. I would like to hear these from a nicer, more powerful amp than what I had to use it with, but I suspect that won't change my mind much. I think with some additional tuning, these might make for a good mid-fi headphone. As they are now, though, they're not for me. Maybe I'd be a loaner in preferring them without the current mods in them? Haha.

I've got quite a few things on my plate this weekend, so I only had time to take a few quick measurements from the left channel. They all looked pretty consistent, so I just picked one. I think it's the weirdness from roughly 700Hz to 3 or 4KHz that bothers my ears most. CSDs don't look bad but might indicate some extra resonance around 1KHz.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2015, 01:06:37 AM »

Just obtained a Z7, so chiming in with some thoughts.

I pretty much agree with hans, upon first listen out of my phone, these sound... diffused, slow, and a bit bunched up together. Dark and really peaky at the same time, not relaxed at all, contrary to what I have been reading.

Then upon closer listening, I realized there was probably resonance around the 2-4KHz area, because my ATH-ES10 also suffered from this. From research, it sounded like resonance around the front of the driver.

And then there is another peak in the treble, I think... around 7-8KHz, since it's not piercing (so not between 8-10KHz), and not sibilant/flaring (so not between 6-7KHz). Upper midrange also sounds a bit forward... likely due to an elevated 4KHz area, but this sounded slightly below that.

Bass sounded really resonant... and bled into low mids really obviously.

Then I plugged it into my DIY amp, and it was a bit better. Background is much less grey, and more black, but even my ATH-ES10 was better in this regard.

So I couldn't stand it and applied some front damping mods... namely felt in the small rising ridge that creates the slight angle with the ear pads, and shelf-liner (the same kind used in the HE-560) in order to absorb reflection.

That fixed the upper mid peak and lower treble peaks for me. Happy camper now.

Will probably attempt dynamat mods pushed to the extreme now to see how much tighter they can become, but will also most likely leave the back hollow since I think the drivers need that breathing room in order to reproduce bass.

Upon first listen through phone, bass was indeed really light and lacking impact, but with my amp, not so at all. Bass was a bit too much at times. Even my modded HE-560 wasn't that bassy. So it looks like these want to be driven by a powerful amp.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2015, 02:29:31 AM »

but will also most likely leave the back hollow since I think the drivers need that breathing room in order to reproduce bass.

Acoustic fiber (not cotton or random fluffy materials) effectively expands the volume inside the cups.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2015, 07:11:49 PM »

I'll have to give them a try. So far, any attempt to bring up the treble extremes (10KHz+) has been unfruitful. Improving the speed is also not proving to be possible either, as the Z7 seems to "need" all of the air in its chamber to reproduce any bass at all. I have tried to put various weird things in the chamber, and none of them has sounded the way I would like it to, though... putting reflection absorbers (shelf-liner) in specific places has helped.

Even after all of that, though, there is still a hardness, or dryness to vocals that I'm starting to think... only front damping can fix. Also soundstage still can't get super wide.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2015, 07:34:13 PM »

I used toilet paper for front damping. Front damping is always tricky because you don't want to kill the sound like how those big felt discs did on the dog training kits for the Alpha Dog.

Did you try applying strips of dynamat extreme like materials (mass-loading / absorption) on the baffle on back of the driver (being careful not to cover the back vent)? That helped a little bit in terms of speed.


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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2015, 07:53:42 PM »

Even after all of that, though, there is still a hardness, or dryness to vocals that I'm starting to think... only front damping can fix. Also soundstage still can't get super wide.
Blocking the area above the dome section of the diaphragm with acoustic foam on the ear side has helped me get rid of harsh trebles and standing waves without affecting the overall response too much. I noticed Sony does something like this in some models (V6, Z7 apparently also blocks the center), you may want to play with that instead of using felts, just a thought.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2015, 09:20:58 PM »

Yeah, I tried dynamat. It seems to do the trick, but the reflections off of the aluminum surface causes some extra spike or resonance that I can detect (somehow the measurements don't really show it, so I'm guessing more resonance than spike). So for now, I'm only putting dynamat in specific spots.

I think the dry vocal can be traced to the hump around 2-4KHz... because my ATH-ES10 also had a hump around 1-2KHz (slightly lower) that causes a bit of harshness, but not as "dry" as the Z7.

Tried felt, foam, shelf liner, microfiber cloth of different thickness, etc... on top of the driver opening in various sizes and no dice. I think it's best to leave at least that opening, and probably reduce reflections around it with the plastic enclosure, the ridge, and the ear pads...

Well, going to keep experimenting. The Z7 really sounds very close to being perfect to me. The lack of blackground has been somewhat addressed now, so I'm happy. Initially, it does sound really grey, and that grey-ness actually persisted for a while until I learned that damping this headphone won't be the same as damping other headphones. Perhaps that's why Sony left the back completely open.
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Re: Sony MDR-Z7 Measurements and Succinct Review
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2015, 09:37:10 PM »

Yeah, I tried dynamat. It seems to do the trick, but the reflections off of the aluminum surface causes some extra spike or resonance that I can detect.

Stick foam on top of the dynatmat metal liner and then felt on top of that. You don't need to overdo the dynamat. I just used a few tiny strips. Or if internal, adding acoustic fiber does absorb the reflections.

Ultimately, the Z7 is un-salvageable, even into the lower rungs a top-tier headphone.
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