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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #630 on: September 26, 2015, 07:14:32 AM »

About the Vali and grain, I've noticed it improves with warm up so far as grain is concerned... By the way, Is this good with the hd800? http://marketplace.lhlabs.com/products/pulse-xfi-dac-headphone-amplifier
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #631 on: September 26, 2015, 08:48:58 AM »

About the Vali and grain, I've noticed it improves with warm up so far as grain is concerned... By the way, Is this good with the hd800? http://marketplace.lhlabs.com/products/pulse-xfi-dac-headphone-amplifier

Don, short answer, I did not like the pairing.....I own the Xfi and it is great with orthos. Does less than optimal (my definition) with high impedance cans....did not care for the Xfi with HD 6x0 as well.....surprisingly, I like the Geek Out V2 with the HD 6x0..
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #632 on: September 26, 2015, 02:42:01 PM »

im not a cable believer at all (to a certain degree atleast, I believe in using high quality well made etc) but does anyone believe in magic hd800 cables? Considering the results at innerfidelity where people could easily differentiate amps in blind tests with the hd800 but basically not at all with other cans, it got me thinking maybe there could be a bit of a difference with different cables
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #633 on: September 26, 2015, 03:27:02 PM »

I was an anti-cable believer until I heard it with my iems : the Linum BaX does change my H8P signature and Piotr from Custom Art measured it by FR-ing Pro330v2 iems with stock cables and with BaX (and the resulting measurements prooved there is indeed a difference).
However, I'm still not a cable-believer in that, in my experience, it brings differences ranging from 0% to 0,5% (numbers pulled out of my ass to give an idea), and only with some iems, not all. And all the difference I have seen seemed to be restricted to pure signature (the BaX giving an ever so slight V-shape).
As a result, I would not focus on cables to yield anything sensible. And that is without taking into account $$$ to yield those results...
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #634 on: September 26, 2015, 04:47:28 PM »

I was an anti-cable believer until I heard it with my iems : the Linum BaX does change my H8P signature and Piotr from Custom Art measured it by FR-ing Pro330v2 iems with stock cables and with BaX (and the resulting measurements prooved there is indeed a difference).
However, I'm still not a cable-believer in that, in my experience, it brings differences ranging from 0% to 0,5% (numbers pulled out of my ass to give an idea), and only with some iems, not all. And all the difference I have seen seemed to be restricted to pure signature (the BaX giving an ever so slight V-shape).
As a result, I would not focus on cables to yield anything sensible. And that is without taking into account $$$ to yield those results...

One additional consideration re the above: h8p is a multidriver iem, and the crossovers in such phones are very sensitive to/impqcted by changes in impedance.  So while a minor difference in resistance between two headphone cables does not afaik produce measurable FR changes in a single driver phone (unless one of the cables is seriously broke), it is unsurprising that changing a cable on a multidriver iem could do so, akin to the various graphs posted re what happens when you add impedance adapters infront of various ba iems.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #635 on: September 26, 2015, 05:39:22 PM »

Linum cables purposefully add resistance.
Bax- 1.5 ohm
Music- 2.0 ohm
Vocal- 4.5 ohm
I think the numbers above are correct; need to double check the product pages. This is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Super BaX- not only does it not tangle but it's only 0.75 ohm.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #636 on: September 26, 2015, 06:33:14 PM »

Linum cables purposefully add resistance.
Bax- 1.5 ohm
Music- 2.0 ohm
Vocal- 4.5 ohm
I think the numbers above are correct; need to double check the product pages. This is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to the Super BaX- not only does it not tangle but it's only 0.75 ohm.

Forgive my ignorance, but what does adding resistance to the cable sonicaly?
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #637 on: September 26, 2015, 07:00:03 PM »

Basically the iems/headphone wil see it as increased output impedance of your amp/source, which can react with the iem/headphone frequency response, if they have a varying impedance measurement.  Most multi-BA based, and some single BA, iems do. It is most readily noticeable in super sensitive iems like the SE846, Angie, E-Q8, UERM, ER-4S, etc. The individual cable amounts aren't so much on their own but when combined with a Pono or AK240, can be a bit much for those iems I listed.

You can check out Tyll's datasheet downloads for specific models impedance measurements. Added impedance can give the UERM or Angie less treble, the ER-4 and E-Q8 more treble, or make the SE846 bass boosted and wooly. This is why the Super BaX lower resistance is better IMO. Plus it's a fantastically light cable that's practically invisible when wearing/using it; and doesn't tangle like the regular BaX. The Super BaX hasn't been released yet but I've been able to use a prototype and it's my favorite cable to use.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #638 on: September 27, 2015, 01:12:33 PM »

Anybody here have experience with the OTL amp built by 2359Glenn over at Head-Fi? Supposedly designed and voiced with the HD650 and/or HD800 in mind.

Threads/links for reference:
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #639 on: September 27, 2015, 06:10:45 PM »

Anybody here have experience with the OTL amp built by 2359Glenn over at Head-Fi? Supposedly designed and voiced with the HD650 and/or HD800 in mind.

Threads/links for reference:

I seen a few people place them among the higher tiered amps, but isn't each Glenn OTL customized specifically for each owner? Won't that make each of those amps vary drastically from each other?
Or is the customization just cosmetics?

punit, placed his on par with Woo WA22, Bottlehead Mainline &Cavalli Liquid Glass in his list awhile ago.

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