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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #280 on: March 06, 2015, 01:38:06 AM »

I'm not sure whether you've made my decision harder or easier, Jeff.  I am leaning towards the Sonett as I suspect there to be more tube rolling options to tweak the sound (a double edged sword as it can become a money pit).  Have plenty more time for research while I save the pennies.

If anyone would like to chime with generalisations about the effects of topology on sound, I would love to hear from you!

What are you using now? Have you considered the Vali to give you a taste of what a decent tube implementation would sound like on the HD800? Might tide you over in case you wanted to save up for something like the Stratus.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #281 on: March 06, 2015, 02:18:42 AM »

Vali doesn't sound like the BH Crack. Lower output impedance, so less of a midbass bump to my ear. More neutral, leaner but still has a bit of tube wetness without loosing too much bite on the top end. Great stage size for the price point, and quite resolving. I tend to think that people often under-source the Vali. It takes advantage of my Gungnir/Wyrd.

Valhalla 2 may also be worth considering if you're going to be using it for a year or two. It's probably a bit closer to the Crack than Vali, though still not as much body compared to the various tube implementations I've heard on the Crack.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #282 on: March 06, 2015, 02:33:48 AM »

Yeah... I don't think the Crack can be described as "fast" or "tight" with T1. I have heard the combo multiple times, with many different tubes, power tubes, even capacitors, and the tubby/warm/fat bottom end of the Crack persists. I think that's just an inherent characteristic of it.

The Vali would definitely be much more neutral, and may even be a bit bitey/bright/peaky, since I think the Crack kind of rolls off the upper end a bit, too.

Overall performance-wise, the two are kind of opposite as well, where the Crack can sound a bit laid-back, gentle, "refined", and the Vali can sound a bit exciting, aggressive, "forward"?
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #283 on: March 06, 2015, 02:50:56 AM »

The Crack has been great for me with the HD800, but I do echo the sentiments that it seems to top out at the HD6X0 series. With the HD650, I knew it was as pretty damn close to the best they were ever going to sound. On the HD800, I know there is untapped potential that the Crack just can't seem to squeak out.

I do like the more "tubey" voicing of the Crack so the next natural step seems to be the Stratus for me. However, with the Yggy on the horizon, I need to decide where to go first..
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #284 on: March 06, 2015, 03:46:42 AM »

If you love the Crack's sound, I'd say... just stick with it. I have heard a pretty extensively modded Crack (rolled both output and power tubes, silver internal wiring, silver solder, and also much more expensive capacitors, plus the Speedball upgrade), and it's better than the stock Crack for sure, but it still sounds pretty much like a Crack. Modding can only "change" certain things, but it won't inherently change the way a design will sound, or so I think.

That's not to say the Crack is a bad amp. I'd personally take it over the Vali any day. The Crack exhibits much less problems than the Vali (no hiss/hum/noise, no tube microphonic ringing...), so that's one important criteria for me.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #285 on: March 06, 2015, 03:57:13 AM »

With the Vali at 150% the price in Australia, that's a bit more difficult to justify for the sake of just trying it. I'd pocket that money and put it towards saving for something like the Stratus.

From a value proposition the Crack is pretty high performing, I don't think you're going to find anything mind-blowingly better until you get in the range of $2000+
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #286 on: March 06, 2015, 04:21:15 AM »

If you love the Crack's sound, I'd say... just stick with it. I have heard a pretty extensively modded Crack (rolled both output and power tubes, silver internal wiring, silver solder, and also much more expensive capacitors, plus the Speedball upgrade), and it's better than the stock Crack for sure, but it still sounds pretty much like a Crack. Modding can only "change" certain things, but it won't inherently change the way a design will sound, or so I think.

That's not to say the Crack is a bad amp. I'd personally take it over the Vali any day. The Crack exhibits much less problems than the Vali (no hiss/hum/noise, no tube microphonic ringing...), so that's one important criteria for me.

I'm of the same thought, especially at the prices listed. If you know you like the Crack, stick with it. The Crack definitely has it's own "character", and while it might not be a resolution monster, it brings a certain engagement factor to the table that's quite enjoyable - there's a reason why it's on the recommended list.

Personally, between the Crack/Valhalla 2/Vali, I preferred the Valhalla 2. The Crack is more colored IMO, and the Vali is leaner (tonally more similar to Ragnarok actually [Bill-p's favorite amp]). Valhalla 2 strikes a really nice balance. I returned my Val 2 and it was a mistake.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #287 on: March 06, 2015, 04:28:50 AM »

Bwahahaha, yeah...

I actually don't like the Ragnarok all that much. For some reason, I thought it sounded weird in the 4-5KHz region. It stands out because I've been bothered at that spot with the HE-560 for so long. In fact, my ownership of the HE-560 has taught me how much I hate a peak around that point... especially when it shows up in any recording. Netflix being the worst offender here, and I absolutely can't stand Netflix with the HE-560 at all... but that's really beside the point here.

I tend to prefer a gentler, less aggressive and more laid-back presentation personally, so the Crack hits all of the right buttons for me. :) Vali... I can probably end up liking if paired with an Audeze headphone, but I'd still be bothered by the hiss/hum/noise floor and the tube ringing. The TTVJ Portable Hybrid Tube that I got from CEE TEE also has hum/noise and ringing, but to a much lesser degree than the Vali IMO.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #288 on: March 06, 2015, 04:49:10 AM »

I actually don't have a problem with the Vali's noise floor when using it with 300ohm Senns, though I do understand it's an issue with more efficient cans. My Vali also hardly has any microphonics - it requires a pretty firm tap to hear any ringing. Perhaps I received a good sample though. I've heard/read some horror stories.

Interesting comment on the Rag. I've never felt it emphasized that region per say (granted, your ears are probably more developed than mine), though it's certainly on the forward/direct/aggressive side. I can see where that'd be an issue if you prefer a more laid-back presentation. While I definitely wouldn't call Ragnarok "romantic" sounding, I don't feel it's cold and heartless either. Personally, I'm really happy with it. I would note that when I first got it, it had a slightly "plastic" sound to my ear...hard to describe. As I've accumulated hours, that's gone away and its become more organic and natural sounding. And no, I will not take a quintuple blind comparative test to objectively prove that perception.
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Re: Best Amps for Sennheiser HD800
« Reply #289 on: March 06, 2015, 04:57:22 AM »

Yeah... no, I don't think Rag is cold and heartless. It's quite a smooth and refined sounding amp... considering its aggressive nature.

It's just that the aggressiveness gets to me, and then fatigue sets in pretty fast. I've found... objectively, using measurements, that I'm sensitive to as little as a 0.5dB change in the region between 4KHz to 10KHz... so any weird spot in there would be bad to me. If it's a single peak from 8-10KHz, though, it's usually not that bad, but 4-7KHz is just asking for trouble.
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