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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #20 on: September 17, 2014, 05:42:58 AM »

Mozart specified faster tempos than what how his stuff is typically played today. Because of the romantic movement, a lot of Mozart tends to be slowed down. The Brits tend to do this artfully. The Germans awfully. There are exceptions of course.

Yeah! This is something not many people know. It's the same with Beethoven. Both Mozart and Beethoven specifically wanted their pieces played at fast tempos. The romantic movement, along with the inability of early recording techniques to capture such fast tempos, really screwed up the modern perception of these pieces. The more and more research goes into classical music, the more we are finding out that many of these pieces were meant to be played faster than what we are accustomed to. From Bach to Beethoven - tempo matters.


And yeah...the Hogwood/Kirby Mozart is VERY thin and bright. Not my version though.  ;)

As for Bach's Mass - This is my all-time favorite version:




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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #21 on: September 17, 2014, 02:32:56 PM »

I will be seeing the Academy of Ancient Music in a month or two and am genuinely excited. I love their work. It will be fun to hear period instruments in a great space and compare to recordings.
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2014, 11:00:59 PM »

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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #23 on: September 18, 2014, 11:18:06 PM »

Is this the same Hogwood version stated on the first page? http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Requiem-Watkinson-Johnson-Hogwood/dp/B000004CX8

It seems like the cover art was changed but I just want to be sure. I've been meaning to listen to Requiem for a long time, never have.
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2014, 02:06:17 AM »

I have the Harnoncourt recording.

Not getting much love here, I see.   walk the plank2
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2014, 04:34:45 PM »

I do not know so many recordings of the Mozart Requiem, but I got curious and went to listen a little to Herreweghe (on Spotify). Very beautiful music-making, and they really manage to turn ones attention to wealth of  interesting things going on deep into  the weave of the music.

What I had slightly against it was the relatively large amount of reverberation, some of it prolly added digitally (maybe worsened by Spotify):  Well, nothing extreme, and where do you find completely un-processed commercial recordings these days?

Also there was rather little sense of drama for a work like this, IMO:  Not much wrath in the Dies Irae, so to speak. Compare for example with this famous 1953 Scherchen  recording, between 9 and 10 minutes into the piece  ( ideally one should listen from the beginning for the sake of contrast etc). What? Yes it is mono.





The ideal stereo sound for a work like this? I may be a tad perverted but I like sonics of the live version that is viewed 11,5 million times on youtube. (performers not credited). The relative dryness of sound and the big stereo spread is very entertaining. Of course this is not what you hear in the concert hall (unless perhaps if you are the conductor at a free-air performance). All in all rather resemblant of the typical early stereo lp sound.


 
More OT: Back to the mentioned 1953 mono version! Everybody who has a turntable I recommend to find an original copy of this (Westminster WL5233)* to include in ones collection (in addition to modern versions, of course). Not only because of the unique interpretation, but also because of  its sound. Amazing what they managed to squeeze into one single mono track, and it is nice to have as a documentation for several reasons. (The LP sounds better than what you hear on youtube, and remember: everything was made using tubes). True, the bass is exaggerated on the LP, prolly (mostly) because the record is not mastered after the RIAA standard, which only a few years later became universally accepted, I think A horror to the audiophile? It should not be IMO, after all tonal balance in any recording situation can be all over the place dependent mic or instrument placement (or in concert: where your seat is located etc). But in the long run it is/was great to have a standard for pre-emphasing, obviously. (On youtube too much of the bass is removed, along with some of the charm).

Potentially of interest to some of the pirates: This WL5233 recording was made by the legendary French sound engineer André Charlin, according to this discography

http://www.svalander.se/charlin/rec11aeng.htm

(Charlin did not typically work for Westminster). Well, to be honest, some other Westminster monos from the same time may sound even better (less congested, without the bass overweight), but they are OTOH typically pure orchestral recordings, the addition of  choir and soloist singers made things more difficult, of course.(Some of the best Westminster recordings from this period were issued in their Laboratory Series: Audiophile records from before the stereo age!  They are well worth investigating.

*avoid the same conductor’s stereo version on the same label.
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2014, 11:12:04 PM »

This Linn recording is highly recommended, very well recorded too.


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Mozart's Requiem - Reconstruction of First Performances

As a scholar once quipped in relation to Mozart's final work: 'Requiem, but no Piece'. Mozart's Requiem has been a site for controversy since almost the time of the composer's untimely death, and it is clear that it is never going to be complete, at least as a piece by Mozart. On the other hand, it is perhaps testimony to the quality of what does survive that musicians and scholars have given it such persistent attention. While some of its popularity can be attributed to romantic notions of the dying genius doing his utmost to crown his life's work in the most sublime fashion, there is no doubt that the vast proportion of the surviving material is remarkable in its musical cohesion and emotional power.

In the early nineteenth century, the controversy was over how much of the Requiem was really the work of Mozart and how much of it was completed by Franz Xaver Süssmayr. By the turn of our current century, the extent of Süssmayr's involvement had been clearly established - so far as is likely to be possible - and the discussion moved towards the question of whether modern scholars could provide a completion superior to Süssmayr's. Now that there are a number of 'new' versions of the Requiem, perhaps performing the 'original' completion is almost as controversial as performing a modern version
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2014, 02:46:50 AM »

When Mozart was a teenager he heard Michael Haydn's Requiem.  Very interesting, if you do not already know it: The many similarities!
Michael (younger brother of Joseph) was a family friend and colleague, who like the Mozarts was also in the service of the archbishop of Salzburg.
 By an occasion like this - the premiere of the work- it would be strange if they did not use all their resources and best musicians, so probably both Leopold and Wolfgang participated in the performance, would you not think?

A great performance, brilliantly "staged":


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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #28 on: October 15, 2014, 06:31:34 PM »

I recommend Karl Böhm's version. http://www.amazon.com/Mozart-Requiem-Wolfgang-Amadeus/dp/B000001G5A also
Downloaded Linn's and it is awful, worst Linn recording ever done walk the plank
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Re: Mozart Requiem recommendations
« Reply #29 on: October 15, 2014, 06:37:57 PM »

Is the Linn recording really that bad? Haven't DL'd it? Sound quality or performance bad?
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