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ohhgourami's handgun/shooting journey
« on: August 19, 2014, 07:49:29 PM »

I'm thinking about getting my first handgun after I went to the shooting range for the 2nd time. I've shot a rented UPS 9mm, M&P 45, and some kind of 40 cal (I think). I didn't feel like I had any issues handling any of the guns, but I seemed to have shot the best groupings with the 9mm. My goals in owning a gun is for range shooting and possibly home defense. I think it would be cool to take advanced classes for handguns later on too.

If I were to go with a handgun, I'd probably stick with 9mm since it's a lot cheaper than 40 and 45 cal ammo. I've been doing a bit of research on what's a good range gun and the CZ 75 SP-01 seems to be a favorite. I see there's a modified version called the Shadow with a lighter trigger pull and shorter reset which also comes with fiber optic sights but it's not on the CA DOJ list. I found a site that can do mods on CZ's, but don't know if that's legal in CA.

Looks like I'll end up spending ~1k for gun and all these accessories (ammo, paperwork, safe, etc). Or I could go cheap and buy a much cheaper gun, but I'm not sure if it will shoot as well. Not sure if I want this on a whim or will I further pursue shooting as a hobby. My personality tells me I'll get kinda serious about this. As someone born in the US, I've never felt that "American", but nothing seems more like being 'Murican than owning a gun.
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2014, 09:26:39 PM »

By all means, go for it.  But just a couple of warnings:

-  If you’re OCD like me, cleaning and storing these will take some of the fun out of it.  In fact before you go shooting you may find yourself asking, “Do I really want to clean these afterwards?”  And you will want to keep your guns clean and protected from the atmosphere especially if you buy something decent.  Also keep in mind that the more you have, the more you’ll need to maintain.

- Sometimes buying a gun is sort of like buying a boat.  It seems like a good idea at first…
Like Marv said in the chat box, “Actually I have a .40S&W P226 locked away somewhere.”  That probably hints at how often he uses it.  Same thing here.  You end up taking them out every few years just to keep them oiled; then back they go.

And oh yeah-  the first gun I shot was a S&W 422 (22LR).  That was fun!  You can rapid fire the thing with minimal recoil and the ammo was dirt cheap.  I guess you could say it was my UE-TripleFi gateway drug of guns.  It was good for plinking and target practice.  But I’d probably want something bigger if home protection is one of your objectives.

I haven’t been “into” guns in ages.  But every time I pass by the magazine rack at the bookstore, it seems like very little has changed.  I’m guessing that if you think you might be into modding or customizing your piece, the 1911 or its variants are still the way to go?  I’m sure others will chime in.

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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2014, 09:28:10 PM »

Geez, I read the title and thought maybe you'd finally had enough with your idiot managers at work.
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2014, 10:15:23 PM »

If you plan on shooting a lot, I would seriously consider a .22 handgun for target practice. Ammo is cheap as fuck, readily available, and easy to shoot. I own a Ruger Target MK3.. really fun gun to plink around with and shoot at the range. For personal protection you are obviously going to want to have something more beefy. Ammo prices shouldn't be your first priority for this application. You need something with good control and stopping power. This decision is really what feels comfortable for you. 40, 45, 9... all have enough stopping power. For that purpose I have a HK USP 40cal.
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2014, 10:35:28 PM »

Let me guess: your Filipinos neighbors are after your Krell amp?  :boom:
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2014, 10:35:51 PM »

HK .40 Cal is gorgeous, nice Greed.  I just feel a lot of blowback with .40 cal. though.  In the HK and the Beretta.

Some of it comes down to hand size as well.  I shot the Desert Eagle .50 cal. but it is a hand CANNON for me.



For 9mm, I really like the feel/accuracy of Sig Sauer P226/P229.  Rent one of those if you have the chance.


I happen to <really> like the feel of .45 ACP.  (With 1911A-style handguns.)  Just another data point...
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2014, 11:23:20 PM »

I want to echo a lot of what was already said.

1-Don't buy a gun based on cheap ammo.  My first guns (Glock and HK USP) I bought when I was 21 I selected in 9mm due to international ubiquity and availability.  Big mistake.  I hate the 9mm.  Too snappy and not the best ballistics either.  So controlability and knock down power suffer IMO.  .40 is better.  Of course, I join the military and get issued a 9mm Beretta which was the biggest piece of shit I've ever fired.  Marines are ditching the 92FS and going back to the 1911 and the Army seems to be following.  I'm actually looking to sell my 9mms. 

2-I used to love guns, but maintenance and cleaning is a bitch.  After being in the military I  almost never go shooting, the romance is out of it for me.  Firearms are just professional and self-defense tools for me now.  I'm at the point where I can be dead nutz accurate with any of my weapons for defense and never need to go the range except when some friends want to do down range.  The only time I'd need to go kick off some rust and hit an outdoor range for a day or two would be to dial in at 500 yards or more in the elements using only iron sights on my AR.  I'd say that's where you want to be at and should choose your gear accordingly.  So pick something that's comfortable and accurate that you can pick up and use effectively at a moments notice.

3-First time I fired a 1911 .45 that was it.  I knew that was the gun for me.  Perfect control, perfect comfort for me, excellent ballistics (knock down power w/o over penetration), single stack so low profile and great grip.

4-Sig seems to possibly have some failure to feed issues on certain cases lately.  I witnessed this too on my friends .40 226.

So get whatever is the most comfortable for you is a priority.  Don't be a slave to the weapon, it needs to be an extension of yourself.  But first decide what you want it for, hobby, defense, both, etc.
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2014, 11:36:14 PM »

The purpose of a gun is killing, not scaring. Get something powerful enough to kill in one shot to the torso.
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2014, 11:42:03 PM »

USMC Weapons Safety Rules:

1. Treat every weapon as if it were loaded.
2. Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot.
3. Keep finger straight and off the trigger until you are ready to fire.
4. Keep weapon on safe until you intend to fire.

A 5th rule was added later which says "know your target and what lies beyond."

Always imagine there's an imaginary tunnel between yourself and your intended target.  The barrel of your weapon should always stay in parallel to that tunnel and the muzzle should never approach an angle which would break that plane.  This is called 'flagging' which puts other people potentially in direct line of sight with your muzzle and therefore potential danger.  You should be aware of this the second you are about to uncase your weapon.

Weapons conditions:

Condition 4:
No magazine inserted, no round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon on safe, hammer down.

Condition 3:
Magazine inserted, no round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon on safe, hammer down.

Condition 2: (does not apply to the M16 or M9 or many others)
For 1911 style actions only: Magazine inserted, round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, hammer down

Condition 1: (for all except 1911 style action)
Magazine inserted, round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon on safe, hammer down.

For 1911 style action: Magazine inserted, round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon on-safe, hammer cocked. Also referred to as "cocked and locked"

Condition 0: (not in current military usage, derived from LtCol Jeff Cooper's "modern method" for 1911)
Magazine inserted, round in chamber, bolt/slide forward, weapon OFF-safe, hammer cocked.
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Most modern military personal only refer to conditions 4,3, &1.
4: No mag, completely empty, on safe. The most inert condition.
3: Magazine inserted, but still mostly inert. This is the stardard carry condition except when involved in direct combat.
1: Used to refer to any weapon with a round in the chamber. Typically only used when use is imminent. The safety is always on except when actually engaging targets. Marine Corps policy is to return the weapon to safe after engaging targets and before moving. This becomes automatic. Condition 2 does not apply to current issue weapons.

When most folks refer to Condition 1, they mean there's a round chambered, and if applicable, the weapon is on safe. This is not universal as there are many different models and action types to which some Conditions may or may not apply.

Before you get to a range and at anytime you finish you should be Condition 4 with the exception of being 'at the ready' in case of personal defense and degree of threat.  Anytime you receive or pass off a firearm, you MUST drop the clip and visually inspect the breech to ensure no round is chambered and that the weapon is on safe when appropriate.

Failure to abide by these basic rules will result in me or your Drill Instructor beating your ass to a pulp or you shooting an innocent person and going to jail or shooting yourself and dying.  :)p5
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Re: Pondering on getting my first handgun
« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2014, 11:45:44 PM »

I think the first gun will be for most hobby. I've never been in a situation where I needed home defense before, but I think a 9mm is better than no gun. I'll probably end up picking up a .45 down the line for mostly home defense.

In the case of finding the most comfortable gun, sounds like I should find a shooting range with guns I'm planning to buy and try them out. I still have my eye set on that CZ 75 SP-01 though. Looks very comfy and supposed to have very low muzzle flip.
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