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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2013, 04:15:50 AM »

Just want to say that my A900 sounds more or less like this. Except it seems to be a lot more shelved up top which makes the otherwise hashy treble a lot more bearable.

I think the semi-open baffle has a lot to do with the closed back AT sound. I've never thought such a warmish headphone could sound so thin and brittle, if that makes any sense. It's like a two-faced midrange at times.
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #21 on: August 22, 2014, 03:22:59 PM »

Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response


The Audio Technica woodies are very hard to measure because of their design. The driver baffle is semi-open to allow a delayed back wave to augment the forward wave. This probably accounts for their romantic or weird sound depending upon how you hear it. As always, no smoothing is applied. What I will do is investigate further by taking an open or small baffle measurement of just the driver itself.

UPDATE - FR measurement of the [colour=#ff0000]driver [/colour]without the cup:


I guess the driver is just screwy. CSDs will tell more, but none of those until tonight at earliest.

What kind of measurement this is ? 'Head Related Transfer Function' one or 'Diffuse Field Response' one ? I ask because this graph is unbelievable fit to what exactly I hear - about 5-6 dB mid-bass lift/boost, about 4-5 dB pothole at around 350 Hz and uneven treble spread [horizontal and not vertical].
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #22 on: August 22, 2014, 04:26:50 PM »

IIRC these were measured in a damped, solid plate apparatus with no pinnae or ear canal adapters (no HRTF applied), which would approximate a free-field measurement if anything.
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #23 on: August 22, 2014, 08:31:52 PM »

What c+nums said. damped solid plate coupler with pinna and hair simulators.

No compensation. No use of HRTF or DF, etc. The measurement is intended to be the perceptual equivalent of a measurement taken by a microphone pointed at speakers in a living room with typical stuff (bookcases, etc.) where the mic is at the listening position.
Not measuring at eardrums, effect of head, pinna, sonic singularities, etc.
 
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2014, 10:00:44 PM »

What c+nums said. damped solid plate coupler with pinna and hair simulators.

No compensation. No use of HRTF or DF, etc. The measurement is intended to be the perceptual equivalent of a measurement taken by a microphone pointed at speakers in a living room with typical stuff (bookcases, etc.) where the mic is at the listening position.
Not measuring at eardrums, effect of head, pinna, sonic singularities, etc.
 

And this method is in fact more revealing of a headphone's character. That is, it tends to correlate better with perceived sound. Start putting mics in an ear canal (resonance tube) with an outer ear (basically a horn) acting as the "front-end" and you start seeing less of the headphone and more of the head and ear's response. Things start looking more homogenous between each headphone. And next thing you know...BAM! you're posting on HF about how everything sounds the same.
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2014, 05:44:25 PM »

With natural wood that has different grains from different trees that expands and ages differently?  Wood working tools are also hardly the same precision as metal tools.  You really think the underpaid sweat shop worker in China grinding out Denon cups really cares about their accuracy or the quality of the interior finishing?  Beyer barely gives Tesla drivers a sniff test before boxing up and shipping.
The Audio-Technica Co. (or at least its headphones division) is a patriotic enterprise, it does not rob its employees of jobs and then gives them to the Chinese communists . All of the headphones 'woodwork' is done in Japan. If all the U.S. companies were the same.

Is that right? According to this 2012 presentation, apparently they have 3 production facilities in China (slide 6):
http://www2.kent.edu/business/StudentOrgs/bapaa/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=3022060

You're saying they "patriotically" sold them or something? Maybe barely using them?
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #26 on: October 11, 2014, 12:51:45 AM »

With natural wood that has different grains from different trees that expands and ages differently?  Wood working tools are also hardly the same precision as metal tools.  You really think the underpaid sweat shop worker in China grinding out Denon cups really cares about their accuracy or the quality of the interior finishing?  Beyer barely gives Tesla drivers a sniff test before boxing up and shipping.
The Audio-Technica Co. (or at least its headphones division) is a patriotic enterprise, it does not rob its employees of jobs and then gives them to the Chinese communists . All of the headphones 'woodwork' is done in Japan. If all the U.S. companies were the same.

Is that right? According to this 2012 presentation, apparently they have 3 production facilities in China (slide 6):
http://www2.kent.edu/business/StudentOrgs/bapaa/loader.cfm?csModule=security/getfile&pageid=3022060

You're saying they "patriotically" sold them or something? Maybe barely using them?

Many of the lower priced headphones of Audio Technica are made in China. The company said that W3000ANV were wholly made in Japan. Their top end high value products are made in Japan.
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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #27 on: October 11, 2014, 01:04:40 PM »

Their top end high value products are made in Japan.

My lower-price ATH AD900s say "made in Japan." That's nice ...I suppose :).

Of course, there is a heap of stuff made by AT at much-lower price .


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Re: Audio Technica ATH-W3000ANV Frequency Response (and more)
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2014, 10:26:08 AM »

Marv you mentioned on another site that the W3000Anv bass distortion measured low. Do you have a graph for this as well?
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