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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #40 on: March 07, 2015, 08:58:14 AM »

Cool, thanks for all the input guys. Haven't read into water coolers that much, but obviously knew there was a fan somewhere. So the pumps generate noise as well. Too much hassle for a minimal advantage, if not closer to zero.

The noctua I have on the i7 isn't too bad and probably manageable if there weren't holes on top of the case. Still it's the gpu first and foremost that yells through. I have the i7 that came out just before the ivy bridges, 950 I think. I think the price drop was to a half (from 600 to 300eur or something), but the new ivy ones started from that price range. Had I waited for a couple of months. Doh. Well that was few years ago. Still running quite smooth though.

The gpu doesn't get past 60c for me either when under stress. 24c at idle, which might explain some of the noise. Also my place is at 18 or so celcius, so it's relatively cooler, even in the summer.

At the moment, the noise from the power supply is nonexistent, probably due to being so far away. I get the idea that without decent airflow the fans compensate for it and you're not fixing the problem. I'll look into the cases and aftermarket coolers. I'm sure I'll be able to make a decent upgrade without breaking the bank. First I'll do a bit of inspecting. Maybe an external NAS for the HDD's to eliminate that issue and so on.

Hahaa, seems there wasn't a simple solution after all! Thought I'd just get a damp case and be done with it. Damn HD800, already after three dates she starts making me do stuff. Am I not good enough as I am?

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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #41 on: March 07, 2015, 09:44:09 AM »

The holes aren't making that difference in noise for you, trust me.



What you need is beefier heatsinks and knowing how to set a good fan profile. You probably aren't providing enough airflow for your components. My GPU at max load is probably quieter than yours at idle. Your temps come at a high cost of noise.

Using a traditional case makes things very complicated when fans are involved. Cases limit airflow from feeding directly to the heatsink fans and make deadzones. The solution for that is to add case fans, but more fans mean more noise. Grills also equal more noise from the turbulence and restrictiveness. The ideal enclosed case would have open holes (no grills) right next to the heatsink fans, but I haven't found the perfect one yet. My best solution is open air. No restrictions means more efficient cooling so less fans - less fans, less noise. Then you need nice fans that perform well at low rpms.

If you can ditch the HAF X for open air, that is ideal but I don't expect you to and the weakness of this setup is HDDs. We can still make the best of the HAF X with good fan placement (and grill gutting) and using nicer fans.
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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #42 on: March 08, 2015, 06:27:03 PM »

I've installed some filters in the haf x since dust is a bit of a problem where I live at the moment and open case just doesn't seem reasonable due to space restrictions. Can't really put it on the floor.

I get your logic though. What I meant about the holes is that I can see the gpu through the top fans from where I sit. I block it and get reduced noise, probably also due to damping/removing vibration on the case from the pressure. I've tried a few different combinations for positioning the cpu fan, but without significant performance changes. Not much else to do with the Haf x, except to change the fans and do some modding to the case.

Thanks for the viewpoint though. Bit hard core for me to get huge noctuas. As you said, traditional cases make it tricky. Will look into it though. Aftermarket cooling/fans seem to be the way to go though.

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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #43 on: March 08, 2015, 08:33:58 PM »

I've installed some filters in the haf x since dust is a bit of a problem where I live at the moment and open case just doesn't seem reasonable due to space restrictions. Can't really put it on the floor.

Yeah going completely open air is a bit extreme and not really necessary IMO. Part of the issue with the HAF X is that it's probably a lot bigger than you need, and it's a very traditional layout which is inefficient for airflow. The farther away the case fans are from the heat sources, the harder they have to work to do the same job.

What's clever about the FT05 design is that it puts the airflow right on top of the GPU, without a direct sound path and at the same time without severe intake restrictions like you get with a Fractal Design case. The downside is that there's basically no room for 3.5" drives at all (two can be shoved under the PSU, but not very well), only a couple of SSDs, and the build quality is average.

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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #44 on: March 08, 2015, 09:05:28 PM »

Another option is the Cooltek/Jonsbo W2, which is a side-by-side style. More HDD space than the Silverstone, and likely better made, but you'd have to import it because there's no Rosewill version as of yet.

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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #45 on: March 08, 2015, 09:47:48 PM »

Half your problem is from using filters or blocking the noise! That restricts airflow! Then you have to crank the fans higher to get the same cooling which means more noise. Also the 200mm fans on the HAF X are complete garbage. Stick with high quality 120 or 140mm. If you have a dust issue, get your case off the floor and give it a cleaning every few months! I run my rig 24/7 and I don't get much dust at all. Probably should take it out to clean since it's been over a year since.

If it must be in an enclosure, then the HAF XB Evo would be your best bet. It's a very breathable without layout weaknesses like the FT05 (vertical GPU mounting and loud stock 180mm fans) and Jonsbo W2 (highly restrictive intake fan openings).

If you're serious about quiet computing, you MUST overkill on cooling since the key is to keep fan speeds under 800rpm at all times.
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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #46 on: March 08, 2015, 10:03:24 PM »

Yeah, some of my friends seem to like the idea that relatively simple works best. One big fan gushing against the gpu on the haf x is just one thing.. I could use the plastic part that directed the airflow against the gpu with dual HD6850's, but no space with the gtx780, ha.

But yeah, those are some good suggestions for cases. Seem minimalistic and decent in design. I like the Haf X for space and I used to have a crossfire configuration there. Have thought about getting another used 780 for SLI at some point, but I've found I don't play that much or seriously anymore, so maybe the Haf X is a bit too big. Borderlands pre sequel (not very good  :spank:) ran with everything maxed (only FHD) smoothly at constant 60fps, and so do most the other games I play as well.

Good point about the seriousness. I mean I don't have a reference. I do not mean to go over the top, but so that I can enjoy music on open headphones. Interesting to view so opposing opinions. I know I can get good quality aftermarket fans and coolers, so maybe get those and a new case with decent (not superb) airflow, but also better noise dampening. I don't think these two approaches are mutually exclusive completely?

The filters were a conscious sacrifice to airflow, but that was when I was rocking a set of Paradox for computer stuff. I haven't done anything yet to the setup.

I live underground next to a dirt road so yeah, dust is a problem. Sure, I clean the computer every now and then and keep the place relatively clean, but am too lazy to get the computer out and open it up for thorough cleaning too often. I have a tight corner for work space, so at the moment I am not able to move the computer off the floor. I have some stuff under the wheels of the Haf X though so it doesn't look like santa claus always.
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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #47 on: March 08, 2015, 11:34:14 PM »

This is why I like an open chassis. The best for passive cooling. Plus if you can build it quiet as an open chassis design, you don't need to worry about damping noise. Not to mention easy access to components. If you have pets or kids then obviously it's not so simple.
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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #48 on: March 09, 2015, 12:16:15 AM »

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You got too many restrictions. Be willing to compromise somewhere. You can't have quiet with filters. A smaller case will be a lot easier to carry outside to clean. Dampening won't be needed if you overkill on coolers. That i7 950 isn't helping your goal either so you better overkill or upgrade.
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Re: Building a new gaming PC.
« Reply #49 on: March 09, 2015, 12:54:18 AM »

If it must be in an enclosure, then the HAF XB Evo would be your best bet. It's a very breathable without layout weaknesses like the FT05 (vertical GPU mounting and loud stock 180mm fans) and Jonsbo W2 (highly restrictive intake fan openings).

The key is balancing airflow vs sound restriction. A directly open path obviously provides the best airflow, but sound restriction is zero, so things like clicking motors on PWM fans and bearing noise can be more of an issue. There can be a happy medium that still allows for dust avoidance.

CPUs are easy to keep quiet in most scenarios, the problem for most people is going to be the GPU, and unless you've got a GTX960, that stock cooler has got to go. An AC Xtreme IV will be vastly quieter than anybody's stock cooler, and it will still fit in the average case which most of the huge coolers will not.



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