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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2014, 02:58:44 PM »

I saw a youtube video featuring Ritchie Blackmore where he was candid about "lifting" riffs from Rick Nelson (Summertime) for DP's Black Night; Hendix, and Eric Clapton.

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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2014, 03:27:32 PM »

I'm sure a lot of stuff happens live, especially among the more improvisational bands. There's a guitar snippet on one of the Greatful Dead Dick's-Pick's recordings that I am sure is a fragment of another song from another genre in another world.
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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2014, 03:42:34 PM »

Deep Purple came from a time where sometimes albums were born from jam sessions with one-take recordings. Taking cues from others was and still is happening among musicians because one version leads to another until a masterpiece is created that gets all the attention.

From Deep Purple fast forward to Dream Theater and Muse, without the liberty to take cues from others how can bands and musicians evolve? At least Blackmore is honest about his "influences". Shall we go back to Blues, Chuck Berry, Country and Dick Dale & the Del-Tones?

Some musicians are pretentious enough to claim they are genius and when you hear their "influences" you just go "Oh, so that is all?" I have that "Oh, so that is all?" reaction with Metallica. I like Metallica but sometimes their attitude in their music is just distracting from the music experience. In that case I especially appreciate Frank Zappa. He made music and whether you liked it was up to you...
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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2015, 06:34:09 PM »

From the Guardian...

After settling a copyright claim from Tom Petty, Sam Smith’s representives have issued a statement about the similarities between Smith’s global hit Stay With Me and Petty’s 1989 hit I Won’t Back Down. From now on Stay With Me is to be co-credited to the writers of I Won’t Back Down, Petty and Jeff Lynne.

“Recently the publishers for the song I Won’t Back Down, written by Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne, contacted the publishers for Stay With Me, written by Sam Smith, James Napier and William Phillips, about similarities heard in the melodies of the choruses of the two compositions,” the statement said. “Not previously familiar with the 1989 Petty/Lynne song, the writers of Stay With Me listened to ‘I Won’t Back Down’ and acknowledged the similarity.

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“Although the likeness was a complete coincidence, all involved came to an immediate and amicable agreement in which Tom Petty and Jeff Lynne are now credited as co-writers of Stay With Me along with Sam Smith, James Napier and William Phillips.”

The Sun reported last weekend that the case had been settled out of court last October, with Petty and Lynne to receive 12.5% of royalties from the song.

Smith is one of the favourite to win major awards at both the Grammy and Brit awards next month, with five nominations for the Brits and three for the Grammys.

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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #54 on: March 07, 2015, 06:16:34 PM »

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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #55 on: March 12, 2015, 07:24:01 AM »

Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke to pay $7.4m to Marvin Gaye's family over Blurred Lines

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A jury awarded Marvin Gaye’s children nearly $7.4m on Tuesday after determining singers Robin Thicke and Pharrell Williams copied their father’s music to create Blurred Lines, the biggest hit song of 2013.

Marvin Gaye’s daughter Nona Gaye wept as the verdict was being read and was hugged by her attorney, Richard Busch.

“Right now, I feel free,” Nona Gaye said after the verdict. “Free from ... Pharrell Williams and Robin Thicke’s chains and what they tried to keep on us and the lies that were told.”

The verdict could tarnish the legacy of Williams, a reliable hit-maker who has won Grammy awards and appears on NBC’s music competition show The Voice.

An attorney for Thicke and Williams has said a decision in favor of Gaye’s heirs could have a chilling effect on musicians who try to emulate an era or another artist’s sound.

The Gayes’ lawyer branded Williams and Thicke liars who went beyond trying to emulate the sound of Gaye’s late-1970s music and copied the R&B legend’s hit Got to Give It Up outright.


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“They fought this fight despite every odd being against them,” Busch said of the Gaye family outside court.

Thicke told jurors he didn’t write Blurred Lines, which Williams testified he crafted in about an hour in mid-2012.

Williams told jurors that Gaye’s music was part of the soundtrack of his youth. But the seven-time Grammy winner said he didn’t use any of it to create Blurred Lines.

Gaye’s children – Nona, Frankie and Marvin Gaye III – sued the singers in 2013 and were present when the verdict was read.

The verdict may face years of appeals.

Blurred Lines has sold more than 7.3m copies in the US alone, according to Nielsen SoundScan figures. It earned a Grammy nomination and netted Williams and Thicke millions of dollars.

The case was a struggle between two of music’s biggest names: Williams has sold more than 100m records worldwide during his career as a singer-producer, and Gaye performed hits such as Sexual Healing and How Sweet It Is (To be Loved by You) remain popular.

During closing arguments, Busch accused Thicke and Williams of lying about how the song was created. He told jurors they could award Gaye’s children millions of dollars if they determined the copyright to Got to Give It Up was infringed.

Howard King, lead attorney for Williams and Thicke, told the panel that a verdict in favor of the Gaye family would have a chilling effect on musicians who were trying to recreate a genre or homage to another artist’s sound.

King denied there were any substantial similarities between Blurred Lines and the sheet music Gaye submitted to obtain copyright protection.


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Williams has become a household name – known simply as Pharrell – thanks to his hit song Happy and his work as a judge on the The Voice. He wrote the majority of Blurred Lines and recorded it in one night with Thicke. A segment by rapper TI was added later.

Williams, 41, also signed a document stating he didn’t use any other artists’ work in the music and would be responsible if a successful copyright claim was raised.

Thicke testified he wasn’t present when the song was written, despite receiving credit.

The trial focused on detailed analyses of chords and notes in both Blurred Lines and Got to Give It Up.

Jurors repeatedly heard the upbeat song Blurred Lines and saw snippets of its music video, but Gaye’s music was represented during the trial in a less polished form. Jurors did not hear Got to Give It Up as Gaye recorded it, but rather a version created based solely on sheet music submitted to gain copyright protection.

That version lacked many of the elements – including Gaye’s voice – that helped make the song a hit in 1977. Busch derisively called the version used in court a “Frankenstein-like monster” that didn’t accurately represent Gaye’s work.

An expert for the Gaye family said there were eight distinct elements from Got to Give It Up that were used in Blurred Lines, but an expert for Williams and Thicke denied those similarities existed.

Gaye died in April 1984, leaving his children the copyrights to his music.

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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #56 on: March 12, 2015, 12:41:01 PM »

A lawyer was telling me that this is very likely to be reversed on appeal. Apparently, Robin Thicke came off as "massively unlikeable", but the actual musical similarities are not that strong.
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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2015, 03:40:45 PM »

Well... to me the bass line is actually REALLY REALLY Similar... but, is that enough to actually go through all of this?!?!
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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2015, 05:58:04 PM »

Depends on how you define musical similarity in court. If the defense is able to exempt tone of the instrument from the dialogue then they will have a much stronger case. The Thicke rhythm is closer to a latin rhythm like Chaka Khan or Miami Sound Machine than Marvin Gaye to me. Gloria Estefan should call her lawyer.



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Re: Copyright!?
« Reply #59 on: March 13, 2015, 06:21:28 AM »

The "Blurred Lines" case is clear for me. When I listen to it and then to Marvine Gaye's track they sound too similar. I have hard time believing that the creators of "Blurred Lines" did not notice.

Anaxilus, in the 60ties and 70ties African rhythms and Latin rhythms were also an influence on the Funk and Soul scene. You might have a point.
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