^ I know that feel, first time I disliked an ortho's bass characteristics.

That's not very fair. Stock T50RPs are truly awful, like iBuds level of audio destruction.

The PM-1 may not be your cup of tea, but they are certainly far more technically capable than stock Fostex.

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Limp dick means first time intercourse won't be as painful.

Or first time intercourse doesn't work.

Perhaps limp-dick could also translate into forgiving or polite? wimpy?

It's definitely one of those personal preference things. Anax and I have a tendency to not like overly forgiving or polite sounding gear. Leben, cough cough. But a lot of people do. Dammit, the PM-1 is sounding like the new direction of Porsche.

Forgiving and polite, absolutely. Not to the point that everything becomes boring, but definitely relaxing (ah, yes, sit back in my robe with a pipe and listen to relaxing...metal). A bit on the wimpy side with bass and treble. Great and easy to sink into when you first hit play, but you lose interest after a while.

I do tend to prefer more forgiving and polite gear, and while the PM-1 overall fit my tastes very well, it was still too much for me. I think that says a lot. OTOH, the PM-1 has enough promise that future iterations might be exactly what I want.

That's not very fair. Stock T50RPs are truly awful, like iBuds level of audio destruction.The PM-1 may not be your cup of tea, but they are certainly far more technically capable than stock Fostex.

Could it be variations in T50RPs or the rumored production changes that happened some time ago? I remember the first unit I got was awful stock. The 2nd, purchased months later, sounded noticeably better and actually decent out of the box.