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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #20 on: May 27, 2014, 05:06:54 AM »

Comparo with stock PM-1s:



Comparo with HD600 and SR-009:


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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #21 on: May 27, 2014, 02:38:32 PM »

Impressive. The modding evened out the recession around the upper mids ~ lower treble, and boosted the treble extension dramatically, without raising any previous peaks/humps. That's a pretty darn impressive frequency response. The overall tilt might be a bit off though, and what's with the bass, is it a seal problem?
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #22 on: May 27, 2014, 04:29:49 PM »

Don't think it's a seal problem. These are full size open, and have measured the stock version with velour pads. I remeasured some other cans I have to double check my rig and things look good.

One may be conditioned by plots. However, I do hear cans before I measure. These did sound a little leaner in the bass area than even my HD558s. I don't think that's how I heard them before though.

Alex mentioned he did more mods to them after the meet, so they should sound different from then. At the meet I though the had more treble and more impact relative to the stock PM-1s. This time around the bass seems mitigated. I think they sound a bit brighter too because of this.
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #23 on: May 27, 2014, 05:18:50 PM »

Don't think it's a seal problem. These are full size open, and have measured the stock version with velour pads. I remeasured some other cans I have to double check my rig and things look good.

One may be conditioned by plots. However, I do hear cans before I measure. These did sound a little leaner in the bass area than even my HD558s. I don't think that's how I heard them before though.

Alex mentioned he did more mods to them after the meet, so they should sound different from then. At the meet I though the had more treble and more impact relative to the stock PM-1s. This time around the bass seems mitigated. I think they sound a bit brighter too because of this.

A good seal is still incredibly important for low bass / sub-bass, especially for cans with a hermetic seal between the driver, the cup, the earpad, and the face. All Audeze cans operate in that regard, similarly with HE560 I find (even breaking the seal slightly makes the driver lose control of very low frequencies).

But that massive roll-off you measured there with the modded PM1 is way more severe than what an improper seal would introduce. So it's definitely something else.
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #24 on: May 27, 2014, 05:45:17 PM »

There is some driver dependency, and the impedance does seem to show a resonance at around 60 Hz.

That said, I measured these LCD-2s the same way I measured these cans. And so did the stock PM-1s, HE-500s, and all full size open dynamic cans.

I could however remeasure these with a non-leaky baffle (like I now do stats and closed cans). It would fill up the lower bass in the measurements, but results might no longer be easily comparable to other similar type cans measured with the leaky baffle.
« Last Edit: May 27, 2014, 05:54:52 PM by ultrabike »
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #25 on: May 27, 2014, 05:57:12 PM »

The seal on the PM-1 isn't all that important as the chamber between the ear and headphone is intentionally designed to leak. Igor's theory is that headphones usually leak quite a bit more than what is shown in measurements as usually there is hair and glasses that create leaks anyway. So the PM-1 will be relatively insensitive to pad seal, but will also no show the kind of bass compression that headphones with a sealed coupling will show with a good seal.

Much more info coming with my review in a couple of days.
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #26 on: May 27, 2014, 06:00:17 PM »

I'll try with the sealed measurements later tonite to see what I get. I think the LCD-X did benefit from sealed measurements, but that seemed more an exception than a rule in regards to full size open orthos. Thanks for the info Tyll and looking forward for your review! :)p5
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2014, 05:24:42 AM »

Here are FR plots using a sealed baffle (leaky baffle in white for comparison purposes).



The depression at 4kHz and the relative hump in the upper bass are perhaps the result of seal together with the use of the leather pads. Like Tyll said, perfect seal maybe difficult to achieve due to hair and in some cases head shape (makes me wonder about certain stats sometimes which seem to require pretty good seal to bring up the sub-bass).

In this case however (unlike some stats, and perhaps the LCD-X), sub-bass roll off seems to persist with the sealed baffle.
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2014, 06:09:34 AM »

Ultrabike, thank you very much for your measurements and impressions posted. I really appreciate your effort!
    In my own measurements they go to -5db at 30Hz relative to the HF peak at its highest point.  They also have better extension in LF department  then the previous mod you have heard at the meet. Quoting you: Oppo PM-1 (mod) vs PM-1 original - Same as above, but perhaps a little more treble and bass on these. I think more bass you heard at the meet most likely can be attributed to a slight peak around 100Hz the other mod had which is now gone.
   They could still be better especially in LF though if my left driver was as good as the right one but unfortunately as mentioned before in the other thread my beta units came heavily unbalanced and had to be modded differently to match each other better while sacrificing the ultimate extension in both (left had much better top while right was much more extended at the bottom).  I am not sure but suspect one of the drivers in my unit was from beta-1 batch while the other was beta-2, either way when I spoke to OPPO reps couple of weeks ago they were very much surprised my left and right drivers measured so different while I thought it was a norm for a beta test sample :-) . This explains why OPPO wanted to keep all the beta impressions closed, when one deals with a pre-production unit everything should be expected.
   Good thing it looks like all the production units measure pretty consistent not only between left and right but also between different sets which tells a lot about their quality control standards.
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Re: Oppo PM-1s
« Reply #29 on: May 28, 2014, 07:29:21 AM »

It makes sense. These beta drivers seem to show lower distortion numbers around the mids though. Proly some trade offs took place before arriving to the final product.

Thanks Alex!!!
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