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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2014, 10:05:02 AM »
Any further thoughts on the HE-6 at the meet?  (In particular, I'm interested in the mods.)  I recently switched to a speaker amp-based HE-6 system (and sold everything but the HD800, which I'm holding on to only because I'm tired of selling/buying/selling/etc them.)
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2014, 06:10:16 PM »
Ohhgourami's rig (modded HE-6 + Krell + M1 + M7) was the best sound at the meet for me.

Couldn't find any fault with it, even the bass: it's hard to judge bass at a meet with some noise around but I honestly don't understand how someone could fault it, especially next to a HD-600  :-Z.

Simply works for me.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2014, 06:36:55 PM »
Clem: Did you compare the HE6 driven by the 445?
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2014, 07:20:07 PM »
gourami's modded HE-6 I liked quite a bit. None of that HE-6 treble etch. Worked really well on the 4-45. Unbelieveable, the bass was tighter on the 4-45 compared to the M1+Krell combo. We even removed the resistors on the Krell, and the bass was still better on the 4-45. Go figure.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2014, 08:00:43 PM »
If anyone saw the PM-1 thread (original one) at Head-Fi, I am the one who first pointed out the lower mids' distortions on the PM-1 (based on the About.com measurements) and was criticized for nitpicking a possibly inaudible thing.

I have not heard speakers/headphones with precisely that amount of distortion at THat frequency, precisely that frequency response, and precisely that distortion profile in other frequency range. But I have heard that amount of distortion in a similar frequency range in a distortion sweep (and in music) during my speaker build---I am a long-time speaker DIY'er. Whether one likes it or not (preference is a totally different matter), it IS audible in program materials.

Most importantly, however objectionable it is subjectively, I would not purchase (and not recommend others buying) a $1,100 pair of headphones with that anomaly on measurements.

Other than that, I do not see any clear problems on Ultrabike's measurements. A little bass-shy compared to other PM headphones, but that may be preferred depending on individuals.
« Last Edit: May 12, 2014, 08:54:39 PM by Jay_WJ »
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2014, 08:09:04 PM »
I like Ohhgourami a lot, great guy.  Sorry but in my opinion I think the Krell sounds god awful and it's the second time I've heard it even after new changes.  Slow, dark, muddy and bloated.  Hate to say it, but power amps for the HE6 only seem to convince me that most people are coloring the HE6 and liking it rather than driving it to magical levels of power and performance.  I'm pretty sure if I had to do a blind test between the HE6 into that Krell versus the HE6 into the Meridian Explorer I would not be able to tell the difference.  Or one could just get one of the plethora of inevitable used Oppo PM1s about to flood the market and plug it into an iPhone.  This is just my off the wall opinion after clearly waking up on the wrong side of the bed.   

The 445 was pretty clearly superior in just about every way imaginable with the HE6.

And yes, they clearly scaled better on a sucky distorting tube amp versus the monster SS Krell.  Go figure.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2014, 08:46:47 PM »
Crest CA2 coming in on Wednesday. Will see if it beats my Krell.

But for the time being, quit bashing on my Krell, you're ruining the resale value. ;)
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2014, 08:50:49 PM »
Quote from: Jay_WJ on May 12, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If anyone saw the PM-1 thread (original one) at Head-Fi, I am the one who first pointed out the lower mids' distortions on the PM-1 (based on the About.com measurements) and were criticized for nitpicking a possibly inaudible thing.

Possibly inaudible?  Sheesh.  It was immediately apparent.

Ask Mike what I said after 15 seconds of listening to the live "Hotel California" with the PM-1 on Craig's 4x45: "It sounds like the nylon-string guitar is being run through an overdrive pedal."
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2014, 09:19:38 PM »
Quote from: burnspbesq on May 12, 2014, 08:50:49 PM
Quote from: Jay_WJ on May 12, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If anyone saw the PM-1 thread (original one) at Head-Fi, I am the one who first pointed out the lower mids' distortions on the PM-1 (based on the About.com measurements) and were criticized for nitpicking a possibly inaudible thing.
Possibly inaudible?  Sheesh.  It was immediately apparent.

Ask Mike what I said after 15 seconds of listening to the live "Hotel California" with the PM-1 on Craig's 4x45: "It sounds like the nylon-string guitar is being run through an overdrive pedal."

Yup, first time I heard them at our mini meet months ago, maybe 3-4 seconds of headtime before being ripped off.  Luis was probably the same.  Marv lasted longer because it had no treble to worry about lol.

To be fair, I think these were a slightly bit less dark and veiled than the prototypes I recall from the last meet.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2014, 10:14:43 PM »
Quote from: Jay_WJ on May 12, 2014, 08:00:43 PM
If anyone saw the PM-1 thread (original one) at Head-Fi, I am the one who first pointed out the lower mids' distortions on the PM-1 (based on the About.com measurements) and was criticized for nitpicking a possibly inaudible thing.

Yeah, I pretty much quit that thread on HF after the mods shifted things around because the thread got heated going into measurements and PM-1 fanboys started to cry. My beef with the about.com measurements, which i did point out in the HF thread, was with the the distortion measurement y-scale going from 0% to 50% in linear fashion when our hearing is logarithmic. Ultra's non-linear distortion measurements (which are scaled properly) for the PM-1 on this site tell us much more.

BTW 3-4% at 300Hz is audible and it's high. Contrary to popular belief, high distortion doesn't necessarily sound like guitar distortion effects or clipping. It usually sounds more like veil, blur, mush, or in more general terms "low fidelity suckyness".
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