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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2014, 02:25:40 AM »

Some of my other impressions:

  • 445 is still amazing. I really liked my HD600 on Marv's system. It's kinda ridiculous to think you could go for a 4 figure amp and 4 figure DAC to pair with a $400 headphone, but it's that good. I wouldn't blame anyone who wanted that for their end-game system.
  • The rig that really surprised me was Ethan's. I listened for quite a while with my HD600 on that system and was absolutely engorged in the sound. The DNA seemed to have a very good tonal presentation; a very "complete" sounding amp so to speak. It also didn't hurt that Ethan seems to listen to a lot of similar music as I do. Not sure what the D/A was on that system though.
  • I was saying this to Mike at the meet, but I really wish I could like the LCD2 more. I'm not sure whose LCD2 it was or what revision it was, but I think I'm kinda hooked to the Audeze house sound on some level. It's so good at cutting to the soul of the music, especially when driven by a top-flight system. I kind of wish I could shut my ears to all the other headphones in the room and just enjoy the LCD2 in a vacuum. But ultimately, next to other headphones (modded HD800, modded Abyss, even the HD600 or HE560), it sacrifices too much.
  • Glad to see the Noble IEMs were all available for listening. I thought the Noble 4 was quite well balanced, but next to my ER4S I did not feel it was on the same level of neutrality. The FR (when switched to R) got much closer to the ER4S sound but it still wasn't quite there for me. I thought it lacked the smoothness in the treble that the ER4S has. Both did have a bassiness to them which might be desirable for some. I didn't find the extra bass that objectionable, as the ER4 is arguably bass-light.
  • HE6 sounded VERY different on different amps, as Marv mentioned. I WTF'ed really hard when I first listened; I was the first to blurt out "WTF is wrong with the bass!?!". I think both Marv and Mike will testify to my level of WTF when it came to that comparison.
  • Modded TH02 vs. PM1 was a good laugh. I'll let Marv or Gilberto embellish more on that. But it goes without saying that the PM1 is really not a good buy at its price point. I'll probably differ from Marv by saying that I'd take any LCD2 (that I've heard) over the PM1 easily. The Audeze is technically competent on so many more levels.
  • I let burns borrow the Black Diamond to pair with his Lynx. I thought it was a very good match with the HD800. Good sense of detail and a spacious presentation that you should expect from an HD800 that is well driven. In March, the Hilo -> HD800 kinda bothered me in the treble for comparison. Might have just been the different pads though.
  • I very much enjoyed Darin's software. I might look into getting that in the future

Glad to hear folks like the CKK.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #11 on: May 12, 2014, 02:33:46 AM »

Cool to see the Noble FR mentioned on Changstar. It's been the best universal I've tried so far, as a lot of the others I've owned/tried (Westone 3, TG334, Parterre, Kaede) had one or more things wrong I didn't like about them sonically. The F setting actually is fairly well-tuned to my ears and works well in noisy outdoor environments and with thin sounding music. It adds thickness and a bad-for-quiet-conditions-and-well-recorded-music-but-fun-with-crap-recordings bump in the bass.

For $700, I'd personally take it over anything I've tried at a higher price point. If the reference setting was released alone at $350, that'd be an absolute steal to me.

Interestingly enough, Noble mentioned that they can add on the R setting as a switch to their CIEMs as well. If I didn't already have the FR and a pair of customs I'm happy with, that probably would have been something I'd have looked into. 
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2014, 02:45:22 AM »

Agree with the consensus view, a Noble R at $300-350 would be a category-killer.  I liked it better than the N4, and I liked the N4 a lot.  Really coherent (not a huge surprise for a single-armature design), with no obvious blips (up or down) in the FR.  Brannan, put me on the pre-order list.  :)p1

Black Diamond is a really solid value at the price point.  Thinking fairly seriously about grabbing one.  BD and Hilo bring out the best in each other, and in HD 800.

Keep an oven mitt handy if you're going to run a GeekOut 1000 for extended periods.  Not surprisingly for a teeny-weeny aluminum chassis with a Class A amp in it, that sucker gets HOT.  But it redefines what's possible in that category.

HE 560 is the first HifiMan phone I've liked.  Very listenable.  No major flaws.  Not likely to steal me away from HD800, but I could live with it if I had to.

And of course, the portable drive that wouldn't work at the meet powered up and mounted as soon as I got home.   :)p13
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2014, 04:50:05 AM »

Thanks for posting all your impressions.


If possible, can any of you comment more about what you thought of Alex's modded Oppo's?


He tells me that he modded just about every aspect of the Oppo's. Not just the pads, and damping materials but also the driver itself, etc. I guess the mods were pretty extensive.


Did anyone spend much time comparing the modded Oppo's? Or since the stock Oppo's were not very well liked, did you pretty much "write off" the modded Oppo's too?


I know Warren and a few others preferred the stock Oppo's over the modded ones. But I really felt the modded Oppo's were night and day different in a good way.


Thanks,


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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2014, 05:30:56 AM »

The undisputed star of the meet.  Damn, that's a big dog.

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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2014, 06:26:26 AM »

Thanks for having me guys! :) As I didn't have to lift a finger for this meet, I actually got to listen to stuff.

Noble's R driver mode (via my AK120):

I thoroughly enjoyed Noble's R (single BA driver) mode in the two products I auditioned (their PR and FR universals).  In both cases, the R driver was more balanced and coherent with surprisingly good extension at both ends.  A simplistic way of looking at it would be to imagine an RE-400 with more body and richness, or an ER-4 that isn't as compressed or narrowband sounding.

I agree with everyone that there should be an R model at a reduced price.  For many of us there, the R conjured up the image of a $300~$350 universal unit to serve as a back-up to our UERMs.  That price is just a rough estimate though, as I think we all envisioned it as a competitor to the ER-4S/ER-4PT.  So as long as the price would be on par with such, it should be a winner.

Regarding the F mode of the FR, it's basically moar bass (though not offensively more).  It's fine, I found no fault with it.  Though, for me, it would see limited usage versus the R setting.

Regarding the P mode of the PR, I think the jury is still out on that for me.  It's higher impedance and lower sensitivity - and it was plainly evident that my AK120 wasn't doing it justice.  If anyone is thinking about auditioning the PR, please make sure you intend to supply it with ample amplification.

Eddie Current 4-45 (with my LCD-X):

I'm reluctant to say more pending a more extensive audition, but this is a very, very, VERY good amp.  I'm not sure my LCD-X had the best synergy with it, and I didn't try the 4-45 with any other headphones.  But what I did hear was mighty impressive.  It was a very stable and even keeled presenation with no faults to speak of, definitely reference.

Oppo PM-1 (via Marv's 4-45):

And finally, the Oppo PM-1.  Let me start by pointing out that I was not listening to one of my own tracks, nor was I listening to it on my gear, and it wasn't a very long audition.  And yes, it's possible that there was a defect (in both drivers?), or there is some wild build variance at work/play here.  Having thrown all of those reservations out... I didn't enjoy the PM-1.

I think I remarked that it was like listening to a band playing at one end of a 50ft carpeted cylinder, while I was at the other, with both ends of the cylinder closed off.  It was intimate and distant at the same time, which was something I've never experienced before.  Very peculiar.

At the end of the day, I would have to classify it as one of the biggest disappointments of the past year for me... along with the TH500RP prototype at CanJam.  I actually think Marv is being a little kind here WRT the SQ.  Comfort was pretty good though!
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2014, 06:28:52 AM »

Some of my thoughts....

  • Oppo PM-1 (stock) - I was expecting some weird treble response or recession. However, I do not feel these lack bass or treble. I actually think they are pretty neutral and have good balance. They are pretty comfy and I personally like the looks. The cans are IMO fairly smooth and do not hurt my ears. That said, there is indeed a bit of mushiness and low-fi-ness to these. Like Marv said, on their own they are pretty good, but relative to other cans, they start to loose ground. Problem area for me is in the bass and lower mids region, and indeed measurements seem to indicate this (will post that later). So while I don't think these are horrible, I feel something like a set of HD600s can do much better for a lot less. On a more positive note, the box these came with is out of this world, and makes Stax and Audezee boxes look like pieces of sh1t. These are an awesome un-boxing video waiting to happen. A very decent set of cans if they were $250 minus the box for the $$$ sensitive folks that don't care.
  • Oppo PM-1 (mod) - Same as above, but perhaps a little more treble and bass on these.
  • HE-560 - I like these quite a bit. They felt lite for a planar can. I think OJ had these level matched running against his HD600's. One was being powered by the Black Diamond while the other out of his DIY Cavalli amp. I can't remember which amp powered which can, but both rigs sounded awesome. I felt the HE-560 had a edge in the bass area though. Like.
  • Noble Audio Stuff - Heard both the FR and PR, like the R setting in both cases. To me the R was much more resolving and cleaner. I feel the 4 is also pretty resolving, but I would prefer a little more bass, and the 10 delivers this to my ears. I know some folks felt the 10 was a little to bassy, but I liked almost everything about it except the price tag.
  • Modded TH-02 - Awesome. It's a bit bass heavy but fairly clean. The pads fitted me really well.
  • Ostry IEMs - Luis brought these over and let me have a listen, and really liked them. These are dynamic type and deliver good impact w/o sacrificing resolution much. Will spend more time w them.
  • Darin's setup - Very convincing multi-channel demo with the 009s. Awesome!

Also, awesome venue for the meet! Nice to hang out at the penthouse.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2014, 06:38:09 AM »

Must have missed the LCD-X. I still haven't had a chance to really listen to it, outside of short sessions on unfamiliar gear that confirmed that it still carries the Audeze house sound.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2014, 06:46:36 AM »

Reference Sounds/Paradox Audio Enigma:

I've got a review on these coming out at Audio360 soon, but I don't believe I've been coy about how much I enjoy it.  I would like to mention that I examined the new Hemo finish in person.  The hues are much nicer and richer than pics would lead one to believe.  So if that's the direction you're leaning in, go forth and have no fear.



TMRaven, I don't know what tolerance/yield is like for LCD-X units.  But from informal auditions with several units over time, I can tell you that the number of LCD-X units that sound like mine seem to outweigh those that don't in roughly a 3:1 ratio.  Hope you score one you like.  :)

OJNeg, I thought that was the Black Diamond!  Too bad I wasn't sure and didn't get any time on it.  Given how much Romy praises it, I really should have spent some time with it.  Next time, we'll pair my LCD-X with and right a wrong for both of us.

Burns, LOL @ the drive.

Darin, I don't think I spent any time with the modded Oppo.  I don't mean this to sound as harsh as it might, but I eschewed auditioning to the modded one because I didn't have any hope that it would be redeemed.

The undisputed star of the meet.  Damn, that's a big dog.


Lol, dat dog!  For those of you who need a frame of reference, I should note that the man and woman in the background are neither petite nor dimunitive.
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Re: Mini-Meet El-Lay May 10, 2014 Impressions
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2014, 07:06:33 AM »

Thanks for posting all your impressions.


If possible, can any of you comment more about what you thought of Alex's modded Oppo's?


He tells me that he modded just about every aspect of the Oppo's. Not just the pads, and damping materials but also the driver itself, etc. I guess the mods were pretty extensive.


Did anyone spend much time comparing the modded Oppo's? Or since the stock Oppo's were not very well liked, did you pretty much "write off" the modded Oppo's too?


I know Warren and a few others preferred the stock Oppo's over the modded ones. But I really felt the modded Oppo's were night and day different in a good way.


Thanks,


-Darin

Better clarity and air, removed quite a bit of that veil in exchange for increased treble presence and harshness (a bit too much of each).  I'd suspect an increased but rather narrow treble peak, ringing and/or distortion.  Felt a bit less muddy and suffocating but more fatiguing.
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