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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2014, 11:00:20 PM »

Cooler Master! I've got a Recon in black: http://gaming.coolermaster.com/en/products/mice/recon/
Very compact, perfect for my tiny hands. There were a few issues with configuring software for the lighting, and the scroll wheel squeaks a bit, but otherwise it's a great little mouse. Cheap, too.
I like me a quieter keyboard, so I opted for an understated Rosewill with Brown switches: http://www.rosewill.com/products/1809/ProductDetail_Overview.htm
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2014, 11:48:15 PM »

I`m using a CM Storm Alcor (Plug & Play, no software BS) and a Keycool 84 with Mx Black (can`t recommend them anymore, since Keycool started to use Kailh switches instead of Cherry`s  poo).
And really if you don`t use your numpad a lot, you should try a compact keyboard, it`s much more comfortable.
I also have a CM Storm Recon but now they`re boxed because I liked the Alcor more.



Could you elaborate more on comparing the Kaihl to the Cherrys?
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #32 on: September 28, 2014, 03:20:33 AM »

Could you elaborate more on comparing the Kaihl to the Cherrys?

I`ll try  :D
Cherry is the original maker of the Mx Switches, Kailh (and some other chinese companies) do copies of them, and there`s no problem with it, since Cherry patent is invalid now, althought the problem is that their Q.C. is really bad, broken switches or switches that doesn`t fell right (like an Mx Brown that feels linear) are common issues with their keyboards. Some few people don`t feel the difference, but I can`t recommend them. (Linear switches usually don`t have a lot o problem in the feedback since they`re really easy to copy, althought tactile...)
The only reason companies use them is that they`re cheaper, BTW, the "new" Razer switches are made by Kailh, yeah they`re using cheaper switches and selling them for the same price as before  facepalm

If you`re looking for a keyboard avoid anyone that don`t use Cherry, Topre or Matias switches (There`s a new one made by Omron, which is a super reliable company, althought no one has used it until now)

I guess that`s all, if I forget anything feel free to ask  :)p7


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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #33 on: September 28, 2014, 04:06:50 AM »

Gotcha, I thought you were calling the Cherrys  poo instead.
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #34 on: September 28, 2014, 04:27:58 AM »

 facepalm   :spank:

Yes, now it`s right...
"I`m using a CM Storm Alcor (Plug & Play, no software BS) and a Keycool 84 with Mx Black (can`t recommend them anymore, since Keycool started to use Kailh switches ( poo ) instead of Cherry`s. "
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2014, 11:36:48 AM »

Could you elaborate more on comparing the Kaihl to the Cherrys?
The only reason companies use them is that they`re cheaper, BTW, the "new" Razer switches are made by Kailh, yeah they`re using cheaper switches and selling them for the same price as before.

What was Razer using before?  My keyboard is several years old and I'm curious what it has. 

It doesn't really matter since it feels fine to me.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to notice the difference between switches.

Still, I AM curious...
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2014, 12:34:11 PM »

What was Razer using before?  My keyboard is several years old and I'm curious what it has. 

It doesn't really matter since it feels fine to me.  I'm not knowledgeable enough to notice the difference between switches.

Still, I AM curious...

On the BlackWidow? Regular ones used Cherry MX Blue, the Stealth Ed used Brown IIRC.
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2014, 05:08:18 PM »

Kailh switches are essentially a chinese cherry mx. I have never used kailh myself but I wouldn't expect them to be up to cherrys standards since they are probably quite a bit cheaper hence why some manufacturers made the switch from original cherry mx.

This is my current board. Its a  LZ-FE which is custom board from korea with lubed 55g cherry mx blacks  headbang headbang. Sorry about the large pic
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2014, 07:26:24 PM »

mice mice mice  :)p2  :)p6

I used to keep a mouse for years. I don't know if it is something in the tropical polluted air I live in, but I suddenly found Logitech mice (ordinary, optical mouse) lasting maximum six months before the double-click thing started. Having got through three, managed to make a working one by soldering parts from two non-working ones (I can't solder: it was a mess but it worked) and contemplated buying in bulk, I decided to go up market and, for ten times the price, buy a Roccat Kone XTD.

One consideration for anything other than a regular 3-button mouse is Linux, and Roccat, although I can't find many good words about their customer service, do support open-source development of drivers for Linux.

 :spank: After one year it starts in with the double-click thing. Hmmm, technically, it's in warranty, but hey...

It made me research the whole double-click phenomena, and I found out that the little Omron switches are not sealed units, and that Deoxit can work wonders. I have Deoxit; I have switches from dead mice to practice on...

By the way, the switches inside the Roccat look exactly the same as the 1/10-price Logitechs.

I opened up my Kone and the left-button switch and Deoxited the contact points --- with good result. I wish I'd known this a long time ago. I need to attend to some of the other switches soon, some, I think, will be what I learned are called tact switches. I think this means tactile, rather than that they try to tell us things nicely. They can't be taken apart, or not in a way which is easy to reassemble. Again, I have practised on components from dead mice. 

I don't game (except for Soitaire!) --- but the programmable mouse buttons make for, as someone else said, lazy one-handed browsing, and I would find it hard to go back to an ordinary 3-button mouse. 

I'd like something that works by touch, rather than physical switches, but the problem with such advanced products is --- linux.

I've had two or three Logitech keyboard failures over the past years too. I've gone back to an old Compaq keyboard that is so old I can't even remember what machine it came with and when. It doesn't have a "windows" key. It has quite a good touch and it is just ...reliable. It's a bit noisy.

The main message here is don't throw your mice away because of the double-click error. I'm sure many members here have Deoxit on the shelf. Check out the net for howtos and use it.

Oh shit, I just admitted that I play with bits of dead mouse  :vomit:


 
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Re: Mice & Keyboard Discussion thread (and why Logitech's new mice suck)
« Reply #39 on: September 28, 2014, 08:23:28 PM »

I've been using the Logitech MX Revolution for about five years or so. Had the double clicking problem and the culprit was a worn out Omron switch. All it took to get it working was a disassembly and rebending the torsion spring that acts as a conductor as well. Worked as new after then.
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