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Preliminary Headphone Measurements - WIP, Your Thoughts?
« on: April 18, 2014, 11:17:13 AM »

Keith (bluemonkeyflyer at Head-Fi) sent me one of his measurement kits to play around with. It's a Panasonic WM61A mic hot glued in a tri-flange tip. A phantom PSU was provided. Basically, you insert the mic into your ear, the mic faces outwards, and you put headphones on like normal (other ear has plug in it).

This has some obvious upsides and downsides, and it's not likely to be as consistent or accurate as measurements from a dedicated rig with good compensations. One obvious downside is that you'd need to switch the mic to your other ear to measure the other channel, thus hindering measurement repeatability and consistency, among other issues.

For now, I've just been experimenting with trying to get results that make sense, are somewhat repeatable/consistent, and not too far off what you might see elsewhere. I have a very basic FR compensation ready, which corrects for the bass-roll off from either my line-out or mic-in (not sure which) and corrects for the slight treble increase most WM61As exhibit. I tweaked this a bit, as 20Hz was listed as -15dB down when calibrating through software, but I set my compensation instead to -10dB. Subjectively, this gives what looks to be more accurate results, but it may actually be more correct if I left the bass compensation as it was (stronger).

Lately, I've been testing as follows: Creative SB1240 line-out -> Leckerton UHA-6S MkII line-in -> Leck. HPO to headphone -> mic in ear -> phantom psu -> SB1240 mic-in

What I need to do is get something setup so I can accurately measure the SPL of a headphone, thus making it possible for me to more accurately calibrate all of my software and volume settings for my mic-in. Currently, I just have my mic-in set to a static volume setting (80/100) and adjust the HP volume accordingly on the amp so that it gives around -10dB at 1KHz during ARTA tests. I set the mic volume setting simply by trial and error based on how "off" the THD measurements looked, and 80 seemed to not be wildly off, maybe. FR didn't change much regardless. Basically, I used trial-and-error to produce results that very loosely matched Marv's measurements, not to say my methods are at all similar to what he does.

I think the only headphone I have on hand that isn't modified in some way is the UE6000. I'll measure that next. For now, I measured my Mad Dog 3.2, which I applied several front-damping tweaks to a few weeks back (damping dot in middle, single ply tissue and foam disks around that, mostly). The idea was to smooth out the treble and make them a bit less U-shaped sounding. Though not comparable on many levels, Marv has the two different MD3.0 measurements on this site, Dan/MrSpeakers has posted measurements from time to time that are scattered around at various sites, and Tyll has measurements of a supposedly faulty MD3.0, I believe, listed at some URL that doesn't appear to be posted publicly on his site (hint: open MadDog measurement listed on his site, which is old, and replace the "A" at the end of the URL with "2013").

L/R FR, HD, and CSD are attached for my personally tweaked MD3.2. Any advice on HP measurements is appreciated! I can post further details on my setup and settings as well.

One thing I've noticed in my early measurement experiments is that it seems they all show the same dip around 8KHz, but I'll have to keep testing and investigating. Often this gets at least partially filled out in CSDs. Channel matching is not too bad, given the method, and might even be within spec or what other MD measurements have shown in the past. Let's not also forget my tweaks were handmade, and not precisely at that!

Edit: Updated R CSD, did not have data open to adjust L
« Last Edit: May 16, 2014, 06:00:36 AM by hans030390 »
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UE6000 (Passive Mode) - Preliminary/Experimental Measurements
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2014, 01:59:10 PM »

Logitech UE6000 in passive mode. Like I did for the MD3.2, I had the mic at 80/100 and tried to get 1KHz to around -10dB. Measured right channel after without changing amp volume to see if there were any major channel differences. If you see anything particularly weird, I did do these multiple times to rule out easy artifacts.

Tyll's measurements: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/LogitechUE6000passive.pdf

I haven't been able to find other measurements of this headphone, but mine do share similarities with his. I'm not sure if the bass differences between the channels is accurate, but I did pop open the left side of the headphone a couple times (for science), but not the right. The adhesive for the pads and for the driver baffle are probably not sealing as well as they should now. There are a few possible reasons for this, one potentially being due to my measurement kit and its inherent difficulties.

I hear these as closer to what my measurements suggest than Tyll's. The first thing you'll notice about them is the additional, but not terribly distorted, bass (cleans up once the pads warm up and seal better). Other than that, I found them to be fairly even sounding, but not perfect. Definitely not as laid-back and dark as Tyll's measurements suggest.
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UE6000 (NC Mode) - Preliminary/Experimental Measurements
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 02:01:05 PM »

UE6000 in NC mode. Started with the R side this time instead of L, but the practice was the same.

Tyll's measurements: http://www.innerfidelity.com/images/LogitechUE6000noisecanceling.pdf
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Hi Hans,


Very cool!



Can you tell me more about the measurement kit? How much did it cost? I couldn't find anything on Head-Fi about it.


I am interested...


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Great work hans.

My own measurement rig (literally a piece of wood and an omni mic) gives me consistent measurements like yours. No compensation needed for relative differences. I might look into using the WM61A (I have a few on hand) and embarking down that path to see where it takes me.

Also, the 8k dip appears in my plots as well. Likely some sort of interaction as the wavelength is significant to the size of the coupler at that point.

Also, a while back Mr. Purrin promised to make a thread regarding the specifics of his measurement rig. He's busy with life crap ATM, but I'm expecting to learn much more when El Capitan decides to share his secret booty  walk the plank2
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Hey Darin

Keith is a really great guy. His approach can be found here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements#user_DIYMeasurementKit. The principal behind this is to help people who like to mod headpones, not to generate more measurements for the interwebs.
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Hey Darin

Keith is a really great guy. His approach can be found here: http://www.head-fi.org/t/618659/fostex-t50rp-incremental-mods-and-measurements#user_DIYMeasurementKit. The principal behind this is to help people who like to mod headpones, not to generate more measurements for the interwebs.

Thanks for the info. I will read up on that.

No, I am not looking to add to the measurements being posted online. I am actually looking to do measurements using in-ear microphones for my Out Of Your Head software. I also want to add headphone EQ compensation into my software.

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That post was not meant to warn you off :) , I meant it more as a methodology for self learning .

I would love to see some of your experiments with DSP

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That post was not meant to warn you off :) , I meant it more as a methodology for self learning .

I would love to see some of your experiments with DSP

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The result of my experimentation is available as a commercial software product, Out Of Your Head . There is a Windows free trial version available on my website.


If you don't have a Windows machine, you can hear some pre-recorded demo files here:
http://fongaudio.com/demo


But I am always looking to improve my methods and my software.


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Could you get the results to be fairly repeatable? You could mod the WM-61 into a wand mic pretty easily too and with the materials, probably build the same rigs as Ultra has done sometime.
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