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Author Topic: Why the name "Changstar" became, like the "Voldemort," forbidden at Head-Fi?  (Read 21800 times)

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I just love it when the mods accuse you of trolling because you have the audacity to criticize something hyped there....
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hello,

i really hope this will cut and paste.

context: there is a thread on that other place (obfuscation is intentional) that is discussing the forthcoming AKG's from Massdrop.

i felt it might be helpful to those folk to see a thread here that discussed these headphones.

and so i posted in the thread:

"hello,

there is a rather active thread on the pyrate site about these cans (no linky, even though i think Jude is a member over there.)

i have been eying the K712 Pro's for a long time as the GYTW heard some K701's and said "i want these." (and Audeze LCD 3's to boot.) :)

that said, i am in for this drop like s**** on s***!"

and then this happened:

from joe

Hello DrForBin,

For myriad reasons (some of which you may or may not be familiar), we do not allow links--or reference--to changstar from Head-Fi. As a result, your post (the original unedited text of which can be found below) was edited.

And, for what it's worth, Jude is not a member over there, but it doesn't surprise me that they'd create a profile to make it look like he is.

Best Regards,
Joe

cc: jude
 
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Originally Posted by DrForBin View Post
 
hello,

there is a rather active thread on the pyrate site about these cans (no linky, even though i think Jude is a member over there.)

i have been eying the K712 Pro's for a long time as the GYTW heard some K701's and said "i want these." (and Audeze LCD 3's to boot.) :)

that said, i am in for this drop like s**** on s***!

the edited post reads:

"hello,
 
i have been eying the K712 Pro's for a long time as the GYTW heard some K701's and said "i want these." (and Audeze LCD 3's to boot.) :)

that said, i am in for this drop like s**** on s***!"

so, here is my disconnect.

is Jude a member of Changstar or not? the posts from the "king" sounded like Jude having a really good time at the expense of his "competition".

why, in the name of all that is holy, is it inappropriate to link or allude to another site that might have information for someone to make a buying decision? (the reason for my post was that someone was asking for reviews of the Massdrop AKG's.)

i am rather troubled. coming from the enthusiast PC community i have found that sites will allow links if it provides a different take on a particular piece of hardware.
in a lot of cases they will even link to other reviews to provide their visitors which a different viewpoint. e.g. [Hard]|OCP.

am i missing something here? changstar is not Head-Fi, nor is Head-Fi changstar.

for folks who are looking to spend money on a product, why is it verboten to point those folks to information that might help with that decision?

or, to be a real dick, is it that Jude receives a shitload of gear gratis and is focused on having the most massive collection of cans, amps, cables... whatever on the planet? thus, everything is wonderful, there are no headphones in existence that shouldn't be purchased today!

please forgive, i am having a real difficulty with this. if a site is here to enlighten the unenlightened, to promote the hobby, to get folks going in the right direction to enjoy music, why the fuck is it so paranoid to admit that it is not the be all, end all?

sorry... tired, cold, and not very rational.

tldr; is Head-Fi dot org so fucking concerned about marketing that they are no longer a place to get any information, and thus a dead end if anyone cares about personal audio.

n.b. i am copying this post as a reply to the message i received.


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@DrForBin:

There's a long, complicated past involving head-fi and certain "other forums." Changstar is the latest. But before that there was HeadCase. Both were created when members of head-fi splintered off to go their own way. Some cut ties altogether or were banned: let's just say they had their differences. However plenty of members stayed active on both forums, and for them it became awkward because head-fi censors any mention of these "other forums." It's especially weird because Tyll on Inner Fidelity mentions Changstar all the time; you can link to IF, but you can't link to IF's linking to CS. You also can't post meet photos featuring Changstar t-shirts, even when they were the hosts of the meet and head-fi members went there.

Jude talks to Changstar admins all the time, person to person. Some are even friends of his.
He doesn't have an account here so far as I know, but Currawong (admin) and Warrenpchi (mod) do.
I'm an official head-fi blogger despite being a mod / admin here.

Yet Changstar, as an entity, is considered a troublemaker. The pirates are seen as liking to stir shit up, as raiding threads (for instance: someone will post a link to head-fi on CS and several head-fi members who happen to also be CS members will post in that thread consecutively), and as a competitor more or less. Head-fi is a community, sure, but it also has important sponsorships and interests to protect.

In other words: different perspectives, different priorities.
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@DrForBin:
In other words: different perspectives, different priorities.



This.


Changstar grew from a need for an honest, and open community. To agree to disagree is very common here, yet people remain cordial and respectful.  :)p2


Head-fi is primarily a business with sponsorships to protect and new ones to seek out.


Pirate Ship vs Sponsorship.
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I came here as a lurker a about a year or so ago and I was happy to see others weren't happy with the Head-Fi experience. I prefer open critique of various gear and combinations and I really didn't see enough of it over on Head-Fi. What I do see is people being constantly over-defensive when you say something mean about stuff they probably own. I'm the type of person that thinks, "If I'm paying $xxx for something, it should perform like I just paid $xxx"...Some people seem too content with subar combinations (you know, the typical "it's what YOU want, everyone's ears are different" or "are you sure you're listening to the right type of music for this gear? Maybe you should upgrade your source or DAC" deflections when you call out a bad piece of gear). Me, I can't justify listening to a subpar, pricy rig and I'm not afraid to say what I like and dislike. We're all looking for that ideal sound, but the negatives need to be given equal weight to the positives. Sometimes it's painfully obvious when someone just gets a new toy and they're posting how great it is after 1-2 hours or so (and yes, I've been guilty of this too, although I stand by the few pieces I've done this with).

There's fewer posts and less clutter here. I think the information I've gathered here has been more useful than what I've gathered off of Head-Fi for the most part.
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He does have an account here.  He kind of gloated about it to me saying he reads the stuff here even though we might not know it.

Update - Jude emailed me and said he does not have an account here and only reads the public stuff.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2014, 06:38:04 PM by Anaxilus »
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Best to avoid mentioning this site on HF. Don't want to get you guys into trouble.


I hope you understand even if you don't agree. I mean, I hope you agree even if you don't understand.
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Someone (either zerodfx or OJ) very cleverly wrote something like, "You must google to find the chang you are seeking." It might have been during #padgate.
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Best to avoid mentioning this site on HF. Don't want to get you guys into trouble.

I hope you understand even if you don't agree. I mean, I hope you agree even if you don't understand.

Uh oh, I think we've seen this before





Someone (either zerodfx or OJ) very cleverly wrote something like, "You must google to find the chang you are seeking." It might have been during #padgate.

I'll take credit for that one  :P
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Update - Jude emailed me and said he does not have an account here and only reads the public stuff.

hello,

i most certainly hope so, as i do not want to engage him through HF messaging.

the latest thing is a reply from Jude which opens with:

"DrForBin, If English isn't your first language, I understand; and if that's the case, you are are certainly doing better than I would do if, for example, I was trying to write a message to someone in Turkish (seeing as I am neither able to speak nor write in Turkish). However, if English is your first language, I'll kindly ask you to re-write your message so that I might better understand it"

as i have some peculiarities when i write, i ran my original post through the readability check of MS Word 2007.

ignoring the word/sentence/paragraph count the results were:

"Readability Statistics

Readability

Passive Sentences 8%
Flesch Reading Ease 73.3
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level 7.3"

i also ran the text through https://readability-score.com/ with this result:

"Grade Levels

A grade level (based on the USA education system) is equivalent to the number of years of education a person has had. Scores over 22 should generally be taken to mean graduate level text.
Readability Formula    Grade
Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level    5
Gunning-Fog Score    7.7
Coleman-Liau Index    7.2
SMOG Index    5.5
Automated Readability Index    3.4
Average Grade Level    5.8"

i am flummoxed.

and quite a bit saddened that the largest headphone forum is not open to the free exchange of information.
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