Your very welcome guys!

@Thujone, I'm not sure about the gimbal/headband removal. I'll see what I can find out.

Probably because you read somewhere that they were veiled and you thought it was a good idea to let placebo take over. Or maybe you're used to Beyers.

The measurements are IMO relative. That said, I did find my HD600 somewhat neutral and did not feel they were veiled or detail lacking. I wouldn't call them analytical though.

BTW, I was told by my co-worker that he has had the HD580 for ~14 years and still rocking .

I also checked the headband and it's not obvious to me how to get just the headband w/o the gimbal.

Probably because you read somewhere that they were veiled and you thought it was a good idea to let placebo take over. Or maybe you're used to Beyers.

Wow, I'm not sure whether you're serious or not. Thanks for the warm welcome though. I wasn't trying to put down your favorite headphone or whatever, just talk about my experiences with the HD600 I owned. I've never even heard a Beyer in my life and I didn't really read much about the HD600s; I just ordered them after hearing my friend's pair. Six months later I bought some modded T50RPs (Mad Dogs) and sold the HD600s shortly after because I felt the Senns were a bit lacking in detail. The measurements (and other people's impressions) seem to contradict my experiences though so I was just wondering if anyone had any plausible reasons for my experiences or if maybe I just got a bad set.

The measurements are IMO relative. That said, I did find my HD600 somewhat neutral and did not feel they were veiled or detail lacking. I wouldn't call them analytical though.

BTW, I was told by my co-worker that he has had the HD580 for ~14 years and still rocking .

I also checked the headband and it's not obvious to me how to get just the headband w/o the gimbal.

Huh, as I mentioned above, I'm starting to wonder if maybe I got a bad pair or something, since mine sounded a bit lacking in detail. To be fair I didn't really think they were that veiled, only a tiny bit.

That's impressive that they're still rocking after 14 years!

Quote from: mechgamer123 on January 19, 2014, 10:12:50 PM

Holy moly the treble measures nice on the HD580 and 600.
So why did the HD600s I owned still sound a bit veiled and lacking in detail?

Probably for the same reasons people think an image on a TV looks "soft" if you set the sharpness settings to properly calibrated levels. (See factory settings for most TVs and understand that most don't change them, thus their frame of reference is objectively incorrect.).

Alternatively, bandwagon mentality and placebo, product variation (isolated batches and units or across years), personal tastes and sensitivity to treble, etc.

Hmm, I think the other possibility is that I didn't quite describe my impressions well enough. 
There's just something that I can't quite correlate to measurements, it's the apparent "clarity" to my ears. For some reason, my HD600s just didn't sound as "clear" or "hi-fidelity" to me as other things I've heard. Again, I have no clue what area of the frequency range it i s or whatever, but my set just didn't sound as good as "clear" as my Mad Dogs, despite the fact that most of the MDs treble is quieter than the HD600.
Anyway, I should probably just shut up now so the thread can stay on the topic of this HD580...