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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #20 on: December 28, 2013, 05:26:55 AM »

hello,

i have been a ova-lactose vegetarian since 1971...

there are pix here that make my mouth water...

thanks...???
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #21 on: December 28, 2013, 06:21:52 AM »

Sous-vide is great for texture and even cooking.  However, flavor is more difficult to achieve as munch said. The key to rich flavors on most proteins is from the Maiilard reaction http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maillard_reaction.  In other words, searing, roasting, caramelization.  Simply put, color = flavor.  Flavor inherent to the actual protein that is, not seasoning is addition to (except salt which does both).  This is why even the best restaurants in the world that employ sous-vide often use the protein as a canvas for sauces and other accompaniments in more complex dishes.  It does also makes perfect sense for harder to cook proteins which dry out fast like turkey and chicken breast, and pork loin. Sous-vide is a great technique, but not a replacement or one-stop solution.  It's actually getting a little too trendy and cliche like using liquid nitrogen at some places.
Ya the meat comes out looking kinda nasty, so I seared on both sides in a pan with oil or butter for maillard reaction.  I've seen some people on youtube use torches as well.
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #22 on: December 28, 2013, 10:39:33 AM »

torching for searing is pretty awful, it's only good to smoke up some fats to get that special flavour you get from grilling.
I prefer to put the sous-vide cooked meat in the freezer for a while (not freeze it just cool it down, fridge is fine if you're not planning on having it for a while) with salt (to draw out surface moisture for better browning, texture isn't affected as much as some cooks in the west would have you believe)
I like parentheses but I don't think I know how to really use them!
anyway, torching is NOT a replacement for hot oil and a cast iron pan :p which is IMO the best method. add the torch to smoke up the fats and imitate grilling a little, adding char and smoked fat fumes to it.

THERE IS however the Searzall that was just released which is apparently kind of like a portable high power broiler - which is how a lot of steakhouses get that awesome crust on their steaks. although it doesn't have the same surface area as a broiler so it might not be as efficient in the end... but probably more than enough. nitpicking :p
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2013, 11:04:08 AM »


The place was pretty busy today. I ordered "The Cowboy" which is a 2 Ib Porterhouse steak (New York T-bone-bordered with a Filet Mignon) plus the classic baked potato and good ol coleslaw... gone in a few minutes :)p1. Below was my steak.




A nicely balanced meat to veggie ratio in my book. Looks hearty.
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2013, 12:04:58 PM »

Searzall is suspect to me without proper measurements and blaming the camera equipment.  I don't see it replacing any proper steakhouse.  300 Celsius is under 600 Fahrenheit, my oven broiler will do about 700F.  A proper steakhouse should be able to hit 1500-1800 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2013, 08:30:30 PM »

I have tried using my oven broiler and it never works properly for me.  I find a cast iron pan to be the best and easiest solution.

In the summer I cooked some steaks on a weber charcoal grill with the cooking grate lowered directly over the charcoals to try to get a steakhouse style sear.  It didn't work very well for me, but that was my fault for not having enough charcoal going.  Next time I get a chance I am going to give it another go.  I got a thermapen from my brother for Christmas, I hope that it will improve my grilling and BBQ skills for next summer.
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #26 on: December 30, 2013, 04:48:59 AM »

300c? I don't even find that number anywhere... but yeah that is far too low. good broilers do 1300F+ which makes a difference. though that also obviously depends on how close it is to the thing you are cooking... :p
but it does seem like people like using it. tempting to try it at least.
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2014, 04:10:59 PM »

Somebody mentioned sous-vide short ribs?  I don't think so.   :P

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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #28 on: January 08, 2014, 09:16:32 PM »

:D I wish I could convince you now! I feel challenged.
really though, I love grilled short ribs too but it's just not the same at all. think braised but not as chalky/dry? instead very juicy fatty succulent rich mmmmmmm...
or like a super flavourful tender steak if you keep temp lower. short rib usually has awesome marbling as well...
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Re: Beef! It's what's for dinner.
« Reply #29 on: January 08, 2014, 11:04:43 PM »

I'm an amateur at ribs, but I liked what I got a few years ago using my old and small Weber One Silver only.

EDIT: These were baby back ribs BTW, not short ribs...

I gave them honey, brown sugar, bit of salt, and I think paprika (can't remember if something else). Then Seared them till I liked the color. Proceeded to partially cover them with aluminum foil. Left them there for some time (a few hours, don't know the temperature) until I liked the color inside and tender all the way through. Probably better out there, but I liked the results. Didn't get sick.
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