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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #40 on: November 21, 2013, 05:28:52 AM »

More listening without swapping instantly from can to can, I am starting to understand the ROOMFEEL. That slightly hollow sound does translate to what you would hear with speakers in a room while the senn 280s have a more standard headphone midrange. The slightly boosted upper midbass on the NAD does bother me a little bit though because it muddles the mids a little. I'll listen to more music and report more later.

EDIT: I still prefer my Sennheiser HD280pros overall even without taking price into consideration but the NAD kills the momentum
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #41 on: November 21, 2013, 03:25:52 PM »

More listening without swapping instantly from can to can, I am starting to understand the ROOMFEEL. That slightly hollow sound does translate to what you would hear with speakers in a room while the senn 280s have a more standard headphone midrange. The slightly boosted upper midbass on the NAD does bother me a little bit though because it muddles the mids a little. I'll listen to more music and report more later.

EDIT: I still prefer my Sennheiser HD280pros overall even without taking price into consideration but the NAD kills the momentum

I think that those two headphones are quite close overall and they're a bit similar sounding too, but I'd probably prefer the NAD because of the comfort (pads) and the portability. Build quality on the NAD seems more classy as well because of the metal headband fixture. I feel that that the 280pro has that hollow sound as well in the mids, possibly even more so than the NAD. On the other hand I think that the major problem of the HD280 is the bass distortion, so possibly with some dampening inside the cups it could sound a lot better.

Regarding the measurements, I wonder if the more neutral looking measurements compensated for them using HRTF? Because that way you'd have a slight null in place of UB's measured 3khz peak, although the treble would still retain some sparkle at 5k. Hope that made some sense.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #42 on: November 21, 2013, 10:31:40 PM »

The 280pro doesn't really have audible bass distortion if you speak of a clipping sort of distortion. I mean I can turn it up to ear splitting levels and the bass stays composed.

I don't know what you mean about the hollow mids when talking about the 280s. I don't hear it. Maybe its dependent on seal/headsize? Not sure

EDIT: Oh maybe you mean the closed headphone sound when you speak of the hollow sound. The dt250-250 has less of it due to the velour pads drying up all the reverb. Thats not what i meant though by the hp50s hollow sound. With the hp50, the hollow voicing seems to be deliberate and gives it that 30 degree angle sweet spot ala loudspeakers in a room type of thing. The hd280pro has none of that. The senns sound relatively flat in frequency response and more true in timbre in the mids as if the instrument is in your ear instead of being put in a room acoustic outside of the recordings own acoustics.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #43 on: November 22, 2013, 01:52:29 AM »

The 280pro doesn't really have audible bass distortion if you speak of a clipping sort of distortion. I mean I can turn it up to ear splitting levels and the bass stays composed.

I meant harmornic distortion, probably 2nd order. The 280pro actually has a little bass roll-off but the THD numbers for the bass at least are quite high.

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I don't know what you mean about the hollow mids when talking about the 280s. I don't hear it. Maybe its dependent on seal/headsize? Not sure

EDIT: Oh maybe you mean the closed headphone sound when you speak of the hollow sound. The dt250-250 has less of it due to the velour pads drying up all the reverb. Thats not what i meant though by the hp50s hollow sound. With the hp50, the hollow voicing seems to be deliberate and gives it that 30 degree angle sweet spot ala loudspeakers in a room type of thing. The hd280pro has none of that. The senns sound relatively flat in frequency response and more true in timbre in the mids as if the instrument is in your ear instead of being put in a room acoustic outside of the recordings own acoustics.

Yep! I meant closed headphone sound. It seems I was thinking something totally different. But yes, I noticed that "room with speakers" type hollowness too with the NAD HP50. I just think it sounds odd, and the NAD RP18 and Paradox both still seem to have a wider presentation; still good for a closed headphone though.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #44 on: November 22, 2013, 07:31:20 AM »

The slightly boosted upper midbass on the NAD does bother me a little bit though because it muddles the mids a little.

Yeah, the HP50 suffers from that, as do most dynamics with any sort of bass boost. It goes with the trend of dipping at the very bottom and then continuing too fair through the mids. I'd say that the boost is close to my comfort level for that artificial "beat" feel in headphones without the egregiousness of hip-hop/dubstep demographic headphones.

Listening fatigue sets in with the HP50s sooner than with more neutral phones.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #45 on: November 22, 2013, 11:22:56 AM »

The nice thing about the Sennheiser hd280pros for example when comparing it with the NAD is that the bass boost is lower in frequency (around 30 to 50hz) making the mids sound more transparent without that hard upper midbass say around 80 to 100hz of the NAD
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #46 on: November 22, 2013, 12:12:36 PM »

I switched back to listening to the NAD just now and the bass boost sounds to be centered around 125hz actually, higher in frequency than I stated above.

Come to think of it, I would be fine with the 125hz bump if the upper mids before the rise back up around 4khz wasn't as recessed. The tightness in the bass due to that 125hz bump would be quite nice if it didn't mask the upper mids.

EDIT: and after more than a few minutes of listening straight, the boost in the lower highs becomes noticeable. Not totally fatiguing but not totally natural either. Overall, the headphone is nice and sounds more nimble than the cheaper Senn hd280pro I have but the 280 pro gets better with longer listening sessions while the NAD seems to be the opposite. The NAD is weird in this way because it isn't totally natural the first moment you put them on then the mind acclimates after a minute or so then for some reason my mind quits jiving with it and finds the sound a little unnatural again but this time I notice whats wrong with the mids and highs more than the upper bass boost. Also, I find the sound of the NAD to distort more than the hd280pro in the mids and upper bass which is weird since the distortion measurements are better on these vs the senns. I wonder if this could be due to a lower power handling capability hmmm.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #47 on: November 22, 2013, 12:46:57 PM »

You know what the upper bass boost reminds me of, It reminds me of the sound of a speaker port. A small sub sat system's sub port or a front firing speaker port etc... Billy Joel's song "My Life" for example (from first press CD) highlights that bass port sound. Also, for the highs try the Psychedelic Furs song "Until She Comes" for example as a good song for showing off the lower treble boost.

For vocals some recordings can sound a little nasal. An example of a decent recording that can sound nasal just specifically on the NAD would be Tori Amos's Silent All these years version from the Gold Dust CD.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #48 on: November 29, 2013, 08:02:45 PM »

Agree with the nasal carasteristic. A little deepbass EQ seems to fix this nasal problem for me. Tori Amos gets much more natural. Actually everything does.

20,0 Hz  Gain   11,0 dB  Q  0,7
200,0 Hz  Gain   -6,0 dB  Q  0,4

The jury is still out and I have not decided what to think of these headphones. I like the balance with the EQ changes, but without it gets a little bit too bright.
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Re: NAD VISO HP50s impressions/measurements
« Reply #49 on: January 31, 2014, 03:45:21 PM »

Big but clean bass, a little recessed in the upper mids, a little elevated in treble.

How do these compare to the M50?
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