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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2015, 08:38:50 AM »

I started smoking cigarettes back in 2002 in the aftermath of the mother of all bad break-ups, and I've quit for months at a time using Nicoderm patches or willpower but just kept falling off the wagon.

Recently, I started resigning myself to nicotine addiction and consciously moved on to vaping. (In this context, it's also worth considering Niall Ferguson's observation that the Industrial Revolution was spurred on by two stimulants new to England--caffeine and nicotine--and a decline in abuse of the most common depressant, alcohol.)

Vaping is supposedly 300-500 times less unhealthful, half the cost or less, and comparatively socially inoffensive. It also has a DIY aspect that might appeal to many audio modders. I vape flavorless liquid that has no scent whatsoever, which is a relief to my co-workers and to the women in my life.

If you're thinking of trying it, the Njoy disposable cigarette look-alikes are a good place to start. But if you find that you like the experience and want to buy a real set up, I would recommend skipping the $25 starter kits and buying a very solid mid-level set up such as Infinite mods, Aspire tanks, and Efest batteries.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2015, 03:17:46 PM »

From my peers presentation on this topic, according to them e-cig is more toxic than traditional cigarettes with much unknown such as chemical within the e-cig.  I am not a doctor just a nursing student at the moment, but I do have research publications regarding some of the related topic.

Overall, it is best to stop any form of smoking.  I know it is easier said than do.  Just link a http://journal.publications.chestnet.org/article.aspx?articleid=1187047#t01 if you are interested.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2015, 01:47:13 PM »

>cook a steak at 500 degrees for several hours
>find carcinogens in the black sludge
>steak is a health concern

There may very well be serious health risks to vaping---it's still too new to be labeled "safe" like some enthusiasts suggest---but that study's findings shouldn't be taken out of context as I suspect many will do.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2015, 02:53:03 PM »

I couldn't agree more!  There are as many studies showing that the risk are low. I'm sure the truth lays somewhere in the middle.  I do think it's got to be better than smoking!!   Just look at the ingredients and delivery methods.

My take on it is don't take up vaping if you don't smoke. If you do smoke it seems like a much better option and might get you closer to quitting.  I really think this is true if you're an infrequent smoker.

I smoked years ago. I am really happy I quit, but I do miss smoking in certain social situations. 

I've tried vaping.  If you buy good gear it's a great substitute for smoking.  Don't let those silly little fake vape cigs you see in the drug store fool you, they suck... You don't need to spend a lot to get a decent rig.

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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2015, 05:12:14 PM »

i recently walked into the break room at the hospital and a co-worker was sitting there with a pinch Copenhagen between his cheek and gums and blowing vap fumes from a pipe. he tried hiding it but when he saw it was me he pulled it out of the chair cushion and proceeded to puff some more. we told a few dirty jokes and then the manager walks in to heat up some food in the microwave. we all talk shop, the manager leaves, then he pulls out the pipe again and we continue our conversation. you couldn't do this with cigarettes. from a public safety standpoint and second hand smoke, i wonder if e-cigs are safer.

they say that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. i couldn't agree more. i like start my day off with a healthy fresh cup of coffee and a pinch of Cope.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2015, 05:59:12 PM »

No surprise ecig vaping probably has risks. I was rather tired when I read the study, but it seems at a low voltage, around 3.3v, there was no detectable form of that formaldehyde. The high end voltage was 5v, which most people won't use on tanks and atomizers like that. Fries them too quick at least. Usually I see folks use 3.6v-4v, which makes the risk less clear. Though people that use drippers at super high wattages (basically human fog machines), they have to be even worse off. I do think the study said it ran the vape for around 3-4 seconds, which is reasonable and common IME.

There are a lot of other details I'd like to see mentioned or studied. Is it primarily just propolyne glycol that has this risk? That and vegetable glycerine? Both together? The study made me think primarily PG, but another line confused me on that.

Also, what sort of atomizer are we dealing with? What was its impedance? Did they study different types of liquid to account for variable quality and grade levels, different PG/VG ratios, how various flavorings or lack thereof affect results, and so on?

No doubt the early results are interesting, and discouraging for vapers, but we really need more robust studies. I'm sure they will come. And like I said, I may have missed something, and I was tired when I read the study itself. Point out any errors I made if so.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2015, 07:12:58 PM »

Personally I would like to see some abx testing, preferably double blind. And csd plots.
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #18 on: August 19, 2015, 11:01:42 AM »

for someone at 1-2cigs per day, I would say likely not worth the initial investment cost.

the small cigarette-sized e-cig w/ cartomizers have terrible performance.

you need to step up to an ego battery + a nice clearomizer tank. likely would need x2 tanks for swapping flavors. also need usb charger. e-juice and coils will need to be purchased semi-regularly. that kind of set-up is nice, but still doesn't not provide the most ideal experience. A few years back, I was able to purchase all the pieces separately for under $50 (which was cheaper than the combo/starter kits at the time). For a budget clearomizer I would recommend the Stardust V2 or Vivi Nova Tank (which are top-coil tanks, vapor will be warmer). I've been using an Aspire Nautilus tank which has been quite reliable once you get use to it but a bit more tedious to clean and reload. (bottom-coil tank).

you really need a variable voltage battery to fine-tune what kind of throat hit & vapor cloud production you like (can achieve similar effects with different resistance coils, but no on the fly switching), which will be a bit pricier.

also, ego batteries also kinda tamper out when they run low on power, so for even better performance, you want a tube-style or box-style mod that holds replaceable, rechargeable battery.

....hahah, basically, escalating hobby kinda like audio gear.

I was on half a pack a day when I swapped to ecigs try to cut back slash quit slash save money. Realistically, the convenience of being able to smoke indoors has likely skyrocketed my nicotine usage & it is unlikely I really cut back or saved much money.

I would not recommend for health reasons as well. If you are at a low cigarette count, try not to escalate or get more into smoking-related/vaping stuff. Nicotine can be quite addicting once you get used to a certain daily intake & the health issues associated are quite terrible.

Hope this was helpful & Good luck!
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Re: E-Cigarettes
« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2015, 04:24:37 PM »

"Acknowledging that the evidence base on overall and relative risks of EC in comparison with smoking was still developing, experts recently identified them as having around 4% of the relative harm of cigarettes overall (including social harm) and 5% of the harm to users."

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/454516/Ecigarettes_an_evidence_update_A_report_commissioned_by_Public_Health_England.pdf

Still, I'm eagerly waiting for Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos to publish his next papers.
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