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Re: An example of what not to do here.
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2013, 07:01:11 AM »

never said that this site is mostly about measurements. my point was in reply to muppet's criticism of rin's approach - that his assessments of phones lack any musical context. all i was trying to say is that most of the posts i see here lack that as well coz they tend to focus on technical and measured performance. references to music and musicality are usually absent. no biggie - just something i've noticed that's all.

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Re: An example of what not to do here.
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 07:19:58 AM »

Purrin's end-game amp is the Objective 2, he clearly stated it in the Vali thread.
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Re: Up Late
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2013, 09:30:51 AM »

Can someone tell me what the first picture means? Don't comprehend the reference to European culture.
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Re: Up Late
« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2013, 09:51:10 AM »

That's the illustrious absolute monarch Louis 14 of France and his Court. Looks like Turks or Persians are paying homage, giving him gifts, fawning over him, etc.
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Re: An example of what not to do here.
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2013, 07:57:09 PM »

I kind of have to agree with the part about not making references to music when talking gear. Just not appropriate to direct that stuff at this forum. As MF said, this community is a tight packed bunch of rational people who enjoy and share a variety of stuff and can most certainly discuss it in a more humane manner than at some "other places"...

So okay, the context is always music, but references are not directly made to it. I see that as my own personal shortcoming though, not understanding the language at hand... For instance, when people talk about specific problem areas of a headphone, they don't necessarily state instruments or recordings, but use other terms and specific frequency areas. That's when I usually whiff out something like this: http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm
... And try to comprehend.

I usually speak a completely different language but often talk about the same thing in the end when engaged in a discussion about gear related stuff.. Great thing here is that you can do so and possibly gain more understanding.

You (now banned up late?) also bring up the term "musicality", which to me is quite fascinating. I still see red when people dub it as "coloration" and that it's just some word people add to their plethora of adjectives describing a subjectively pleasing experience with a particular "toe-tapping" headphone. Granted that's exactly what happens at head-fi and because of that I don't wonder the term makes the other camp sick. I see it as something completely different though and hope it could gain some objective ground at some point...

Another fun thing here that I know through reading stuff people write elsewhere, other forums or just different threads here, is that everyone seems to disagree about a whole lot of subjects, but are decent enough not to every time call each one up on it, and thus get along or even more. Cool place, cool place. Though I really don't have much to contribute personally.

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Re: An example of what not to do here
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2013, 08:31:43 PM »


It's not about the argument, agreeing, disagreeing, etc. What this person did not understand is how this forum or community (which is very real once you get to know us) works. MF and Anax essentially tried to reach out to him, try to get him to understand what we are really about (with the audience not necessarily being him, but also others.)

Instead, this person takes it as a debate or argument on who is right on what points - and continues on this road. The smilies are obviously a not so veiled attempt to hide his contempt for us (an tactic often used on HF.) I mean why ever bother posting here? (We have a good idea who this person is - someone already banned from HF under several aliases.)

This is the second person I have actually banned myself. I don't like banning people, but the fact that this person wanted to continue this "argument" with me at HF via PM only confirms that I have made the right decision, especially since he asked me to ban him if it made me feel better (which it doesn't, it makes me feel bad, but I know banning him will keep this site more on topic and less noisy in the long run.)
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Re: An example of what not to do here
« Reply #16 on: November 11, 2013, 12:08:40 PM »

Hmm, I think I just brought up a few individual issues he might've missed. Definitely some of the stuff you miss if you don't get to know some of the people and the way of things... Might be missing some context as well; as you said you have a good idea who he is and how he's acted before. Strange agenda.

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Re: An example of what not to do here
« Reply #17 on: November 11, 2013, 04:44:24 PM »

About those references to music in our subjective opinions. Isn't it true that high fidelity gear can play anything you through at it very well, and the more hi-fi it is, the better it can do so?
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Re: An example of what not to do here
« Reply #18 on: November 11, 2013, 07:30:23 PM »

I'll bring up Tari's impressions of the Abyss as a good example. He liked many aspects of it, but said strings just didn't sound right to him. Anax felt the same way IIRC. This is really something you can only glean from listening to music using them, and it's really only a problem if that's the sort of music you listen to regularly. As Purrin said in the shoutbox when asked how he overcame this issue, perhaps with a bit of endearing snark: "I don't listen to string arrangements."

I'll also bring up the Stax SR-009. More than any other headphone out there, it has this ability to move out of the way and let the source material come through. Yet three pirates in recent memory have sold theirs, citing various issues such as a thin presentation and edginess that gets to be a little too fatiguing over time.

Really though, I tend to agree that a well tuned headphone will sound good with a wide variety of music. Unfortunately a lot of "high end gear" is tuned to be really treble happy, that sort of audiophile sparkly signature that makes details pop and everything seem artificially hyperreal. People mistake this for neutrality, and so you get these audiophile mantras like "only really good recordings should be used with your good gear" which translates into a lot of mid centric stuff that doesn't set off the problem areas of those headphones. Meets use the same few tracks over and over as a result, so you get all those audiophile cliches. Girls strumming guitars and small jazz ensembles are going to sound good on most stuff, after all. It's all the stuff audiophiles often say to avoid that, ironically, tests the capabilities of your gear more adequately.
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Re: An example of what not to do here
« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2013, 07:36:45 PM »

Meets use the same few tracks over and over as a result, so you get all those audiophile cliches. Girls strumming guitars and small jazz ensembles are going to sound good on most stuff, after all. It's all the stuff audiophiles often say to avoid that, ironically, tests the capabilities of your gear more adequately.

We have a phrase for that: "Music that sounds good on a walkie-talkie." Someday I'm going to do custom categories on JRiver and put all the audiophile stuff in a folder called, "Well-Recorded Music You Don't Want to Listen To."
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