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Author Topic: slimline dac with the AK4396, and an XMOS USB receiver (>= 384 PCM/64/128 DSD)  (Read 17059 times)

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MisterRogers

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Here's a teaser. I'll be building my prototype this weekend.
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Update: I've built JLSounds filter buffer in both a 3rd order and a 2nd order (JG Buffer approximation), and it works flawlessly. As an alternative to the scarce JG Buffer, it'll fit the bill quite nicely. The JLSounds team has been waiting for test feedback, and now they have some. I'll be strongly encouraging them to make this board available for sale. I'm not sure if they have a prebuilt component in mind, as it's designed to be configurable/tuned to the designed filter frequency, input impedance, etc. If anyone wants one but is timid re: the SMD components, let me know and I'm happy to do the SMD work.
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I was wondering, how do you calculate the values for a JG style filter? I haven't seen many RLC passive low pass filters, are the resistors to improve stability? Or some sort of neat impedance matching for the L?
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This filter is designed such that it could be used from first up to forth order. The value of R1 + R_source has to be 300 ohm. For the the AK board, this requires 270Ohm at R1. If the sum of the R1 and R_source is different from 300 ohm,then the amplitude frequency response would be different. L1, L2, R1, R2, R3,C3, C4 determine the characteristics of the filter (n-order). According to the desired approximation of the filter, some of the capacitors may be omitted, and if one of the coils is not needed it can be omitted too. With R5, R6 and R7 one can adjust the offset if is needed - alternatively, FET's can be matched.

While this filter can be used for 3rd & 4th order, it's optimized for 2nd order. 3rd/4th inject delay into the time domain and bring with it a treble roll-off that isn't to my liking.
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Hey All. JL can have boards produced in ~15 days. A couple of questions for all of you; would you like 1) bare boards, 2) boards with SMD assembled, or 3) boards full assembled and tuned for JL DACs & 2nd order?
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Just give me a board, a bom and some sorted transistors.
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Whoops, managed to miss a bunch of replies with that sticky on the top!

Looks like I was following the wrong schematic- R1 is either 470R or 18.9K here. I'd be very interested to see your schematic (especially the new approximation you're working on) if you can post it! :)

Very neat to see the source resistance and capacitance being used to form another filter pole. I hadn't accounted for this and that would explain why my sims were so ringy. You mention the FR changes depending on the filter order; is that a symptom of instability, or just a slower rolloff associated to the lower filter order? I've had issues with variable order filters going unstable when you'd just remove a pole in passive implementations.

No boards for me since I don't have any Vout DACs, but I'm with Hroð. Sorted transistors would be awesome, but nothing soldered in case we want to tweak. Since it's just a ladder filter and a JFET buffer you could easily make it into an awesome universal discrete DAC filter that way.
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Hi MisterRogers,

I will definitely be interested in a fully populated board optimized for the JLSounds DAC and 2nd order.
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Thanks mates; I'll pass that information on to the JLSound team. Here's a schematic of the a JLFilter build tuned for 3rd order. For second order, drop C3, change L1 to 18mH, and change C4 to 100p. This schematic is for 1 channel, so 2x for the build:
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Btw, how does the buffer board interface with the DAC? Are they sandwich-able?
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