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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2013, 07:01:19 PM »

DF is the wrong curve in this case - there is a diffuse characteristic from the room. What should be applied instead is independent-of-direction (ID) curve or similar ear canal simulation. That'd go like this: boost 3k to 6k range about 4.5 dB, (less than DF), do not cut highest end or bass. Alternatively, for IEMs, wear a deep insert IEM shallow but still sealing - way simpler. (Except RE-400, which seems to be designed for deep fit but becomes linear in shallower fit. Works with Brainwavz B2.)
It helps a bit, but the actual issue has something to do with phase/group delay, head shadowing and not magnitude - that's why crossfeed helps so much, especially if my crossfed positioning estimates are mostly correct. (PM me please with the right answer, I won't tell anyone.  p:/  )
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2013, 07:07:37 PM »

DF is the wrong curve in this case - there is a diffuse characteristic from the room. What should be applied instead is independent-of-direction (ID) curve or similar ear canal simulation. (boost 3k and 6k, less than DF, do not cut highest end) Alternatively, for IEMs, wear a deep insert IEM shallow but still sealing.
It helps a bit, but the actual issue has something to do with phase/group delay, head shadowing and not magnitude - that's why crossfeed helps so much, especially if my crossfed positioning estimates are mostly correct.
Cool thanks for the info. I'll do some more sophisticated recordings (especially from a greater distance, since all of these were extremely close) to see how much of an image I can get after I have added canals.

I can't really figure out how to mic an acoustic from a distance (especially fingerpicking), so it'll probably be vocals or sax.  :)p4
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2013, 11:03:51 PM »

This one is better  popcorn

I disagree. The one I gave you had a creepier stare, because the head was tilted sideways slightly and more of the bald head was visible. It had more of a Max Headroom glitched out quality to it.
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 12:56:17 AM »

DF is the wrong curve in this case - there is a diffuse characteristic from the room. What should be applied instead is independent-of-direction (ID) curve or similar ear canal simulation. (boost 3k and 6k, less than DF, do not cut highest end) Alternatively, for IEMs, wear a deep insert IEM shallow but still sealing.
It helps a bit, but the actual issue has something to do with phase/group delay, head shadowing and not magnitude - that's why crossfeed helps so much, especially if my crossfed positioning estimates are mostly correct.
Cool thanks for the info. I'll do some more sophisticated recordings (especially from a greater distance, since all of these were extremely close) to see how much of an image I can get after I have added canals.

I can't really figure out how to mic an acoustic from a distance (especially fingerpicking), so it'll probably be vocals or sax.  :)p4

It depends what microphone type you use, the room, and what the end result will be.

If you are using your omni's, get someone whose hearing you trust to walk around the room and find a spot where it sounds great. Place omni mic there. Done.  :)
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2013, 08:25:59 AM »

It depends what microphone type you use, the room, and what the end result will be.

If you are using your omni's, get someone whose hearing you trust to walk around the room and find a spot where it sounds great. Place omni mic there. Done.  :)

If I am using the tiny pencil-style omnis, how will I control for self-noise being amplified with a quieter source like a guitar from a distance? I have some 10mms which would have less self noise... I'll try and post a distance strum recording (not that the strings are good for strumming...) tonight to test the image.
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2013, 08:47:42 AM »

It depends what microphone type you use, the room, and what the end result will be.

If you are using your omni's, get someone whose hearing you trust to walk around the room and find a spot where it sounds great. Place omni mic there. Done.  :)

If I am using the tiny pencil-style omnis, how will I control for self-noise being amplified with a quieter source like a guitar from a distance? I have some 10mms which would have less self noise... I'll try and post a distance strum recording (not that the strings are good for strumming...) tonight to test the image.

The easiest would be to do a multi-mic set-up and multi-track it. Then do a blend of the ambient mic with the direct sound mic until you have something you like.

This is where mic quality really matters and that's why the better omni's cost $10,000 or more - they have virtually no self-noise.
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2013, 09:56:15 AM »

True, the really good omnis are expensive, especially measurement grade ones.
The best cheap ones I know of go to 70 dB SNR (Dayton EMM-6) which would be about ~30 dB (A) self noise at calibration, which is not astonishing - like a very good cassette. No silly things like mains hum there.
But if you toss in another order of magnitude, $650, then you can get an Earthworks M30, which has 22 dB (A) self noise, should be better than almost all rooms and is a bit more sensitive than EMM-6.
And it gets a bit better still higher up, but frankly I wouldn't break the bank too badly on the omnis.
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #17 on: October 22, 2013, 07:37:57 AM »

Lack of updates due to being busy. I went and bought some silicon tubing to create canals, it resonates horribly and sounds worse for a small increase in image.

Looking for alternatives or ways to dampen the canals. May end up binning the project for a while due to employment (or lack thereof)
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2013, 10:59:21 PM »

Silicone nozzles must be longer than you'd expect - the ear canal volume has to match and that's 0.7-1.3 cm^3. (Not 2cc, that's way too large.)
Also watch out for edge effects, do flare these in a horn pattern, and watch out for the seal with the capsule.
I used 4mm diameter tubing and attached rubber "horn" with good results for one EMM-6. Without the horn, you'll get notable 6kHz half-wave resonance or null.
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Re: Binaural Click Test and Dummy Head Build Progress
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2013, 05:30:06 PM »

Silicone nozzles must be longer than you'd expect - the ear canal volume has to match and that's 0.7-1.3 cm^3. (Not 2cc, that's way too large.)
Also watch out for edge effects, do flare these in a horn pattern, and watch out for the seal with the capsule.
I used 4mm diameter tubing and attached rubber "horn" with good results for one EMM-6. Without the horn, you'll get notable 6kHz half-wave resonance or null.

Which end does the horn go entrance or exit? Do you remember where your data is from so I can read it?
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