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Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« on: July 08, 2013, 10:09:04 AM »

Would like to start this thread to share some computer/desktop speaker impressions and experiences. Among the best known and highly regarded are the Mackie HR824 and HR624... But I don't have them, so I'll start it off with my discontinued, el-cheapo, and bought at bargain price:

Boston Acoustics MM220s



Bought these some time ago to enhance my bedroom TV movie experience. Sound quality needed to be better than my Vizio TV... which kind of narrows it down to almost everything. Form factor and foot print was a priority and had to be a 2.0 system though.

Before buying I gave it a listen at Fry's and liked what I heard. Bought them from Amazon at ~$44.97 (including shipping).

Sound

I was surprised at how well these sound. The highs are very crisp. The lows are very surprising for such a small set of speakers. The soundstage was very good as well. There is a particular song with drums that my Mirage Crapo Sats are unable to reproduce and these do it effortlessly and clearly! TV and movie gun fire is fairly "Oh Shit!" realistic with these.

The downside of things is that FR low end extension, surprisingly good as it may be, does not dig into the subwoofer territory, and they can distort on certain FR ranges. Note however that  we are talking two 2" woofers with a small passive radiator covering roughly the same area + 1/2" tweeter. The cabinet is as cheap as they come and rattles quite a bit. It is also possible that these may be somewhat inefficient (considering the size of the amp that comes with it). Some people complained about hum or interference, but I had no problems with that.

Looking at the 2" woofers reminds me a lot of the Aurasound drivers though these seem made out of paper. I know Donald North worked for Boston Acoustics and I wonder if he was involved in the design of these little guys. I really like these. IMO they destroy some of the few home-theater mini satellites that I've heard.

Features

The have an aux input that bypasses the main input should one wish to plug in a player. The right speaker  comes with a headphone output. I haven't tried it that much but from memory I think it works well with easy to drive cans... It doesn't come with a remote either, but I didn't mind that given the price.

Measurements

Below are some measurements I took of these also in my bedroom in their current spot a little less than 1 meter away @ ~84 dB, ~78 dB and ~68 dB (not anechoic). As seen in the FR/distortion plots, at higher volumes ~450 Hz starts to show considerable distortion. However, the FR is relatively flat from 100 Hz to 20 kHz, and there is still something there at around 90 Hz.

~ 68 dB


~78 dB


~ 84 dB


Conclusion:

These really surprised me given their size and price... may need a sub, which is why there used to be an mm226 package (with monitors similar to the mm220s minus the passive radiator). Possible that these would be comparable to the Audyssey Lower East Sides reviewed HERE. No crapy "power safe" mode in this o ne though.

It also got me interested in what could come out of an Aurasound and Dayton Audio ND90/91 full range drivers for home theater applications.

« Last Edit: July 08, 2013, 05:58:07 PM by ultrabike »
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2013, 12:32:15 AM »

What do you use for this measurement? Looks spiffy, aside from too little magnification. (I prefer to see 18 dB range vertically.)
Is that expensive and can it do CSDs?
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2013, 12:53:29 AM »

I used REW which can do CSDs and it's free. I'll magnify the plots later today :)p5.
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2013, 05:56:53 AM »

I really like Microlab Solo series of desktop speakers. I think they are the cheapest non-plastic speakers you can get.
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2013, 06:21:53 AM »

I'm curious about these guys. Active wide-banders with built in filtering to compensate for the driver, so they are accurate to +/- 3dB throughout their useful range, very unusual for a single driver without external correction. Expensive, but interesting.

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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2013, 06:31:29 AM »

So....

Comparison plots attached (HD558/blue and KSC75/red - normalized to align at 1kHz). Obviously, the mm220 does not have anywhere near the extension of an average headphone, but IMO very good considering the size.



The mm220 could use some eq in the upper mids and lower tremble. Note this is not an anechoic measurement. It's an "in-my-bedroom" measurement. It is not an authoritative measurement by any means either. The measurement however correlates well with what I heard, which is surprisingly good balance in the 100 Hz to 20 kHz range considering the price and form factor.

I have not measured my Mirage nanosats or the Anthony Gallo/Orbs, but these sound better to my ears.

@RudeWolf: Those look fantastic! and it seems those do come with a remote! Also, on the smallish side of things their H21 looks quite intersting!

@DaveBSC: They seem to be using THESE as drivers.  Some here are much more knowledgeable about drivers than me, but the Fs is 80 Hz and from the spec they seem to peak a little in the tremble area. The toe in might help with that though... but honestly dunno. The finish is quite elegant.
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2013, 07:15:20 AM »

The real standouts from the Solo series are 4C, 6C and 7C. The first two are really good desktop speakers but 7C performs quite well in mid-field. Some make the mistake of buying the 7C for near field and it is too loud and bassy.

Just don't expect too much from them. All in all most are just blown away by how good they are compared to average plastic fantastic 7.1 system. And that it can play midbass.
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2013, 07:35:35 AM »

Yup, they use the Dayton drivers and a fairly simple Philips TDA8566Q chip amp. Bass and treble are adjustable via the knobs on the back, but I don't know exactly where in the FR those adjustments are made. Since there's no active crossover as on a two-way studio you're not controlling driver level, just changing the active filter. That should be able to counteract the usual full-range treble rise though.

$1200 is definitely a lot though, Neumann and Adam have some pretty strong monitors for about the same amount of money.
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2013, 07:52:23 AM »

And I'm just here sitting with my Audioengine A2s I picked up at a bargain...
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Re: Computer/Desktop Speakers and such...
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2013, 07:56:41 AM »

I'm sitting here with a 1000$ headphone system and 45$ Creative 5.1 system.
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