Topic: "Piracy is the new radio" (Read 2835 times)

LFF · « **Reply #10 on:** February 05, 2012, 10:06:18 PM »

Quote from: rhythmdevils on February 02, 2012, 06:45:31 PM

I don't feel very bad about piracy. I think the record labels are ripping off the artists already and so I could care less about rewarding them for it. I would care if it was in fact stealing from the artist though. I guess I could say that the amount I care about pirating music is the same percentage that the artist gets paid per album. So I care very little. :-)

The way the industry has reacted to piracy makes me care even less about it. Trying to prosecute random people for downloading illegally? Some random mother of 2 children in Omaha Nebraska who works as a waitress? They ought to take a hard look at their business model. If they had a fair and honest business model, I don't think piracy would exist today. And if it did, it would be much less prevalent. Music is worth a lot to people and if they felt some kind of connection between the money they spent and the people who were responsible for making the music, they would be happier to pay it. At least for me. I'm happy to pay people for their artwork. Last concert I went to I went up to the merch counter and just gave them 20 bucks because their music meant to much to me.

There's also the issue of trying to force people into overpaying for mediocre product. Selling albums purposely crafted with 1 hit and 8 filler tracks and hyped with a bunch of super model "musicians". That doesn't make people feel very good over time.

Here's an example in Television that applies directly to the music industry as well. Last summer I wanted to watch the World Series, but had no TV. I tried really really hard to figure out how to watch it legally on my computer. I was ready and willing to pay for it. I called around. Searched online. Posted online. But someone had purchased the rights to broadcast the world series, and that company hadn't set anything up online. I bought a subscription at MLB.com, but because of the company's rights to the games, all they could broadcast was a display where you had to choose which camera, and stay with it. And the quality was terrible, with audio coming in after the video. I wound up watching the exact TV broadcast illegally online for free.

It's the same idea of overreaching and attempting to manipulate consumers.

Well said!

Every single time I hear and artist I like which is playing live...I tip them. If I like them more, then I will also buy their CD's because I know the profit goes directly to them and it's the best way to support them.

I hope the music industry changes their business model soon.....

Questhate · « **Reply #11 on:** February 06, 2012, 07:05:32 PM »

Yeah, well said. That's why I'm much more likely to go to an artist's show than to buy their album -- more money in to their pockets. I wasn't sure how that affected some of the production side of the music though -- like studios and engineers.

And yeah, I'm the same way with the merch booth. I have a bunch of t-shirts that I'll never wear, and a box of CDs that I'll never open because I already have the FLACs on my computer.

Speaking of business model... whatever happened to the idea behind Radiohead's In Rainbows album -- the pay-what-you-think-is-right release? I remember reading shortly after they released their album, that they actually made more money than they would have if they released it normally through a label. I suppose only an established band could get away with that though.

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #12 on:** February 07, 2012, 03:32:24 AM »

Here's another great example. Movie industry, but again it's the same idea. I just rented a movie called "Gettysburg" on itunes. Paid 3 dollars for it. Turns out it's 4 hours long. I probably won't be able to watch it all within 24 hours. So I'll have to rent it again just to watch it once. WTF? I've had to do this multiple times. I understand they need some kind of controls, but they ought to at least give you an extra 24 hours if you haven't even finished watching the movie yet. that would be an easy thing to do.... 24 hours after starting, the movie erases once you finish watching it... until 3 days is up when it erases no matter what.

That's just waaaay too controlling and makes me angry at itunes and at the movie industry as a whole because I am constantly getting sheisted. So why shouldn't I just download the movie illegally? Then not only is it free, but I own the fucking thing. They obviously are overstepping if consumers are frequently paying for something they do not receive. When this happens, I'm paying for a movie that I don't get to watch.

They think they can push consumers and have everything their way to reap the most profits without any respect for their customer base. And so of course, consumers loose respect for them and try to find the media in a different way that gives them back more control.

And it will continue until they learn to have some respect. No matter how many single mothers they bankrupt and put in jail.

RexAeterna · « **Reply #13 on:** February 07, 2012, 04:22:39 AM »

itunes is another reason i hate my ipod but it's only portable player i have atm(man i miss my sony walkman now). even if you buy the music the only way to have it on your computer is through itunes since apple encrypts everything you buy. it really sucks when a company makes the consumer feel like a thief.

even with pc gaming it's very bad with the whole drm thing and if something goes wrong it's automatically ''pirates fault''. it was so funny when epic first released gears of war for the pc. the game at launch would not work! it had a windows live error and took freakin 45 minutes to install. that's insane! not just hard copies but steam copies as well. epic got pissed cause razor's and skid row's crack fixed the game. these no bodies managed to fix something the devs couldn't and it took epic a whole month to release a proper update for the game to work. a whole month! good job scuba steve! cause of their own faults and couldn't admit it they blamed the pirates and due to mainstream consumers and how dumb they are everyone believed them. i think this whole ''blame the pirates'' thing is something for these companies and developers to fall back on. it's the perfect excuse to make why you want legit buyers to offer up personal information and other stuff just to be able to use/play with what they bought with their hard earn money.

companies just don't know how to run a buiness anymore or do anything worth buying and when it flops it's automatically the pirates fault. it's the ultimate scape goat. only one i see handling it right in the pc gaming world is gibbs and steam. i might can't stand the half-life series and don't care for steam much but he's proof on knowing how to handle a business and people correctly with proper service and promotions steam have all the time. they even allow you to download a full game over the weekend to try which is good idea(even though i really don't game much at all. i still have skyrim wrapped up and haven't installed it yet. also yea, i'm a computer geek and gamer as well. been gaming since the first pac man and big fan of metroid).

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #14 on:** February 07, 2012, 07:23:49 PM »

It actually has little to do with itunes or Apple. I guarantee you they are not happy with any of the DRM stuff, or the 24 hr rental period. They are pushing the industries past their comfort zone, and getting the best deal they can. I'm sure the movie industry didn't want to even sell downloads at all and wanted to control the market and keep things on DVD's and so Apple had to compromise with the strict rules. Apple got rid of DRM as soon as the industry got more comfortable with the new format and adjusted, and I'm sure they'll change the movie rental rules when they can.

You may have other gripes about Apple, but it's the movie and music industry that is pushing these rules and control, not Apple.

rhythmdevils · « **Reply #15 on:** February 10, 2012, 05:30:11 PM »

Hahaha this article is great

http://techcrunch.com/2012/02/09/music-labels-joint-venture-vevo-shows-pirated-espn-game-at-sundance/

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