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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 04:04:57 PM »
Listened this time (and secretly analysed what might have been done afterwards which I could not figure out)

To me the differences (that in blind situations I cannot tell) are found in the attack of the first violin 'bursts' they seem to have an ever so slightly different edge.

My preference was for A (when switching sighted) as it sounded slightly 'cleaner' IMO.
Can't say if 'info' is removed from B (and thus A sounds slightly cleaner) OR something has been added to B OR I simply made up my mind the first try and 'condition' myself when switching files (placebo)

When doing a poor-mans ABX (used Ubuntu) I could not tell them apart with a certain level of confidence though.
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 04:19:26 PM »
Quote from: hans030390 on June 25, 2013, 09:33:32 PM
For me, given that I am no expert, the difference was small enough that it could have been placebo. I found myself gravitating towards JR MC in the end anyway, mostly due to the UI.


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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2013, 04:31:20 PM »
So many views, so few replies (to the actual A/B comparison).

I guess there are no clearly audible differences. Am I right in assuming that people would be fine with either file?
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2013, 04:36:36 PM »
I still need to get to it - the A/B. Haven't been at home and various corporate firewalls blocking the downloads.
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2013, 05:12:15 PM »
Me 2. I will do an A/B probably later tonite...
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 05:34:06 PM »
Quote from: Solderdude on June 26, 2013, 04:04:57 PM
Listened this time (and secretly analysed what might have been done afterwards which I could not figure out)

To me the differences (that in blind situations I cannot tell) are found in the attack of the first violin 'bursts' they seem to have an ever so slightly different edge.

My preference was for A (when switching sighted) as it sounded slightly 'cleaner' IMO.
Can't say if 'info' is removed from B (and thus A sounds slightly cleaner) OR something has been added to B OR I simply made up my mind the first try and 'condition' myself when switching files (placebo)

When doing a poor-mans ABX (used Ubuntu) I could not tell them apart with a certain level of confidence though.

This^^^ plus the Jriver thing that Purrin and hans030390 agree with. Thats all I can say in this thread with the limited quality equipment that I have connected to my PC.
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 10:16:57 PM »
I failed ABX test last night, probably fatigue, poor system or whatever. Used resampling in the chain due to my dac's limitations. Sighted listening, A sounded a little leaner(or cleaner) to me, B sounded ever slightly bloated. My rig is highly limited, a receiver driving the hd800 with a el crappo creative DAC. On another note, ABX at late night after work is really not a good idea. fatigue sets in real quick.

Edit: More likely tin-ears :P
« Last Edit: June 27, 2013, 12:08:17 AM by firev1 »
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2013, 10:46:12 PM »
Thank you. It's the taking part that counts.  :)p5

Giving the other guys some more time before posting the solution.
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2013, 03:21:01 AM »
Working with a pair of Etymotics (custom tips) out of an Asus laptop right now.

Couldn't detect a difference within the strings. Too fatiguing to my ears. The horns at the end of the crescendo seemed different maybe. I almost want to say B's horns had more energy or were higher in level. Maybe some sort of time domain effect was giving that sort of illusion, or maybe it's the tonal balance in relation to the strings.

Using F2K, but didn't ABX. I don't think I could pass an ABX, so the difference is minute. For me at least.
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Re: Take a listen #2
« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2013, 07:07:05 AM »
Did not detect differences with strings. Some possible differences with the horns around 0:12.2 to 0:16.5... Very close call. B sounded better to me.

My ABX results:

foo_abx 1.3.4 report
foobar2000 v1.2.6
2013/06/26 23:35:28

File A: C:\Users\osito\Downloads\a (1).flac
File B: C:\Users\osito\Downloads\b (1).flac

23:35:28 : Test started.
23:40:06 : 01/01  50.0%
23:40:26 : 02/02  25.0%
23:40:38 : 03/03  12.5%
23:41:16 : 04/04  6.3%
23:41:46 : 05/05  3.1%
23:42:15 : 06/06  1.6%
23:42:30 : 06/07  6.3%
23:49:59 : 06/08  14.5%
23:50:09 : 07/09  9.0%
23:50:20 : 07/10  17.2%
23:50:40 : 08/11  11.3%
23:50:52 : 09/12  7.3%
23:51:30 : 10/13  4.6%
23:52:04 : 11/14  2.9%
23:54:39 : 12/15  1.8%
23:55:08 : 13/16  1.1%
23:55:24 : 13/17  2.5%
23:55:39 : 13/18  4.8%
23:55:51 : 14/19  3.2%
23:56:11 : 15/20  2.1%
23:56:16 : Test finished.

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Total: 15/20 (2.1%)
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