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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2013, 07:42:57 PM »

At least regards overall phase, it seems I personally can't tell the difference. However, I imagine that relative phase is quite important for sonics. For example, imagine we have a source emitting two pairs of sinusoidal tones, the first pair is centered at 100 Hz and separated by 1/2 Hz, the second pair is at 1000 Hz and separated by 1/2 Hz. Within each pair, the frequencies are close enough for your brain to perceive the interference, while the two base frequencies are far enough apart that your brain ought to hear them separately. If they are all in phase, then one will hear two tones, 100 Hz and 1000 Hz, each beating in amplitude once per second and doing so in perfect unison. If the phase difference between the first pair is different from the phase difference between the second pair, one of these beating tones will be temporally offset with respect to the other, and this would definitely be audible. This could certainly be the case with a really crappy phase response. Although, I suppose the lesson learned from this example is that the only thing that matters for such timing is that the phase response not differ too quickly over small frequency ranges. So, perhaps then all that matters is that the absolute value of the derivative of the phase response is sufficiently small over all frequencies. I imagine that this is probably true of most phase fuckups, and thus why we don't hear such glaring issues in timing in practice.

On the other hand, I have heard a bit about the dependence of concepts like soundstage and imaging on things like fine details of phase, timing, and so on. So, now I'm wondering, could all these phase fuckups introduced in EQ'ing, recording, and even at the headphones be together responsible for a good portion of why most recordings fall short of sounding truly 'realistic'?
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2013, 11:28:57 PM »

The design of the cable didn't get any mention either - which to me was icing on the cake for making a decision between the JH and UE. The socket connector is a much better design. I have to say that the Apple / " i " cable is also excellent. The 3.5mm jack is tapered to fit in an iPhone with a case and the microphone / volume adjuster with clip seems like a design feature and not an after thought that the other company thought was acceptable.

The line remote aside (I didn't want that option so I didn't go for it), the cable is simply of top notch quality - the braiding, the durability, the 3.5mm connector and the recessed socket. They are all made of high quality that are not only pleasant to the sight but also designed to last. I have not seem such qualities even in the over US$300 aftermarket cables. Kudos to UE really, I will get their stock cable over aftermarket cable anytime, for they win in ergonomics, design, and durability.
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2013, 10:16:18 AM »

My UERM arrived.  It took about two weeks from placing my order until they arrived. 

This is my second UE custom, I also have the UE-11.  I feel like I've got everything covered between the two of them.  If i could only have one I think I'd pick the UERM, but that doesn't mean the 11 won't get plenty of use.

I used my old molds after some discussions with the UE gang.  We had a good idea that they would be OK since I recently had to replace one side of the 11's after a terrible accident (I stepped on it) and the fit was good.  This time the fit is perfect again.  Construction and finish continue to be excellent.

I won't mess around with describing the sound, enough has been said.  If you're looking for a reference CIEM, look no further.  If you want to spice them up then throw a little EQ at it, if you feel like you really have to. 

I was worried they might be a little too analytical and become fatiguing or overbearing on long listens; not for me. I've been rocking them for long hours all week.

One thing I'd like to throw out there is that in my experience the proper seal of the final custom and the final tuning of the ports inside the canal always make the custom sound much better to me than the universal demos.  This was especially true for low end impact and general "fullness" of the UERM for me. 

UE has improved the interior of the already very nice metal storage box that's included.  I'd always recommend that you get that large box with your order and then add the smaller one from the available accessories to use on the go.

This has been another great experience with UE for me.  I know there are a lot of options out there now, but I couldn't be happier with the customer service and CIEMs I've received from UE.

There are good reasons so many pirates dig the UERM! 

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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2013, 05:53:38 PM »

I have been thinking about picking up a pair of these to use while drumming.  Do they completely plug the ears and isolate from outside noise?  I had some customs made from Westone and one of the ears, while "isolating" lets more high frequency outside noise in than the other.  Westone has that molding inner canal thing so I am afraid that the less isolating side is more what I would expect from the all hard shell UERM.

thoughts?
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2013, 06:02:42 PM »

They completely plug the ears.  There is no leakage if you get your fit the way it should be.  The UERM isolates around -26dB.  I find the isolation to be very good.

I'm not sure if it blocks more high or low frequencies, maybe @CEE TEE can help with that?

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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2013, 06:16:14 PM »

Westones isolate more than UE, no question.  Sounds like you have a fit issue on one side?
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #46 on: May 16, 2013, 12:30:31 AM »

Thanks, Ship!  Raif...lemme know if you want to hear the UE demos again.  I have them all.  :&
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #47 on: May 16, 2013, 07:43:04 AM »

Definitely a fit issue with my current iems, but I was just curious if the looser fit might be more indicative of seal without westone's pliable construction.  It is good to know that the uerm "plugs" the ears.

Thanks for the offer CEE TEE, much appreciated but I am definitely sold on the sound.
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2013, 01:49:36 PM »

Westones isolate more than UE, no question.  Sounds like you have a fit issue on one side?

My UERM isolates better than my ES5...
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Re: Ultimate Ears In-Ear Reference Monitor UERM Measurements
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2013, 09:35:51 AM »

Your ES5 must be wrong then.  Perhaps your vinyl tips shrunk or dried out?  I always leave fresh lube on mine after I'm done to preserve the vinyl as it leaves a protective film/barrier.
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